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zenith-nadir

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Yet the PA could never seem to find him... ;)

Gosh how brave those terrorists are getting...bullying 14-year-olds into becoming bombers now.

Pssst...no one has ever been arrested by the PA for these many kidnapings.

By the way Fatah is the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority which Abbas is head of. Maybe Abbas's son got a bad mark in class.

  • Prime minister Ahmed Qorei said that Palestinian Authority president Mahmud Abbas would tell MPs he would not appoint a new government despite their demand for a new line-up. The parliament passed a motion on October 3 calling on Abbas to appoint a new government as a result of the current administration's failure to halt the security chaos in the
    West Bank and Gaza. -
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051012/wl_mideast_afp/mideastpalestinian_051012174000
Wow...there's nothing like a dictatorship... ;)

Whew...now that that is over how about an official investigation into the missing BILLIONS in international aid money which Arafat stole, ( http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/60minutes/main582487.shtml ).

And finally:

  • For the first time since the start of the intifada, more Palestinians have been killed in internal violence since the start of the year than those who have died in clashes with Israel, according to an official report published Thursday. -
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/634612.html
Damn those zionist settlements!
 
Orwell said:
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Actually Mr. Tufnel aside from kidding with BPSCG I would love to discuss why the PA - who's been in power for over a decade - has no control over it's own streets. I would like to discuss why the Palestinian Parlament voted 43-5 in favor of Mahmoud Abbas forming a new government and he said "no thanks"... to democracy. I would like to discuss why there are no huge Palestinian developments going up on the abandoned Israeli lands in Gaza. I would like to discuss why intra-Palestinian killings outnumber combat with the IDF - yet no one seems to ever be arrested. I would like to discuss why Palestinian kidnappers are never caught or arrested...why Fatah members are beating up Palestinian university presidents...you know those silly details.

There is a method to my madness, and that is to debunk the many layers of myths that Palestinian violence is simply a reaction to Israeli settlements and occupation. Here we have Gaza - a perfect example - which has no settlements or occupation anymore and yet it is demonstratably worse under full Palestinian Authority control than it was under Israeli control. Why is that?
 
zenith-nadir said:
There is a method to my madness, and that is to debunk the many layers of myths that Palestinian violence is simply a reaction to Israeli settlements and occupation. Here we have Gaza - a perfect example - which has no settlements or occupation anymore and yet it is demonstratably worse under full Palestinian Authority control than it was under Israeli control. Why is that?
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Global warming?

Y'know I read somewhere once that there is no group that is incapable of self-government, and that those who claim that some people are unfit to rule themselves are racist.

I agreed with that, when I read it.

I'm trying to still agree with it, but it's getting hard.

More and more, when I read about the Palestinians, I keep getting reminded of the Silastic Armorfiends of Striterax.
 
You guys obviously already know the answers to all that, so why should I bother? I'm not particularly fond of pissing contests and shouting matches. I don't like feeding trolls either.
 
Orwell said:
You guys obviously already know the answers to all that, so why should I bother? I'm not particularly fond of pissing contests and shouting matches. I don't like feeding trolls either.
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Then why are they behaving like this? Honestly, I'd like a more plausible reason than a_u_p's or The Fool's anti-Israel rants. And believe me when I tell you that the idea of the Palestinians not being capable of self-government strikes me as implausible, also.

Why are they shooting themselves? It's like the whole country is completely nuts.

Maybe we should just call it what it is - civil war.
 
Orwell said:
You guys obviously already know the answers to all that, so why should I bother? I'm not particularly fond of pissing contests and shouting matches. I don't like feeding trolls either.
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Who's trolling? Z-N is hardcore, and occassionally rabid, but he always comes with his sources squared away. The OP is a good example. You can disagree with his position and his tone, but you'd best be ready to deal with a mountain of citations when you do.

Trolls, on the other hand, usually pop into threads with nothing to add, and instead post... oh, I don't know, some kind of smilie, affecting a laughable sense of superiority.

Jes' saying.
 
Jocko said:
Who's trolling? Z-N is hardcore, and occassionally rabid, but he always comes with his sources squared away. The OP is a good example. You can disagree with his position and his tone, but you'd best be ready to deal with a mountain of citations when you do.

Trolls, on the other hand, usually pop into threads with nothing to add, and instead post... oh, I don't know, some kind of smilie, affecting a laughable sense of superiority.

Jes' saying.
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That's not what "troll" means. A "troll" is someone who posts something inflammatory just to get a response--it's got nothing to do with whether it's sourced or not. The OP is a good example.

Now, having said my piece I will bow out, and let the circle-jerk continue. Have fun, guys.
 
Troll: from the fishing term. As a noun, synonymous with flamebait. As a verb, to post controversial or provocative messages in a deliberate attempt to provoke flames.

Do you find my sleepy smiley to be provocative or controversial?

If you do, well...

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Cleon said:
That's not what "troll" means. A "troll" is someone who posts something inflammatory just to get a response--it's got nothing to do with whether it's sourced or not. The OP is a good example.

Now, having said my piece I will bow out, and let the circle-jerk continue. Have fun, guys.
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Ah. Being a troll has nothing to do with bringing valid sources to back up an opinion. In other words, having the right opinion means more than having the facts.

Gotcha. Well, by that rather unique definition, you and Orwell can look forward to a very non-trollish and source-free future.

Edited to add: In retrospect, I suppose you're right in that it wasn't a strictly accurate use of the term. In the spirit of cooperation, please feel free to wear the label "@$$hole" instead.
 
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Cleon said:
That's not what "troll" means. A "troll" is someone who posts something inflammatory just to get a response--it's got nothing to do with whether it's sourced or not. The OP is a good example.

Now, having said my piece I will bow out, and let the circle-jerk continue. Have fun, guys.
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Lemme see if I get this straight, feel free to correct me.

A) If I post actual news stories regarding current events in Gaza and the West bank that is something inflammatory just to get a response.

Or is it

B) If I make sarcastic comments about actual news stories regarding current events in Gaza and the West bank that is something inflammatory just to get a response.


Jocko said:
Trolls, on the other hand, usually pop into threads with nothing to add, and instead post... oh, I don't know, some kind of smilie, affecting a laughable sense of superiority.
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Could trolls also be posters who enter a thread and derail it to accuse other posters of being a troll? :D
 
Orwell said:
Do you find my sleepy smiley to be provocative or controversial?
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Cosidering it expresses nothing more than your opinion of another poster and doesn't actually address the OP, then yes, I do. What would you call that?
 
Jocko said:
Ah. Being a troll has nothing to do with bringing valid sources to back up an opinion. In other words, having the right opinion means more than having the facts.

Gotcha. Well, by that rather unique definition, you and Orwell can look forward to a very non-trollish and source-free future.
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Amazing, the way "in other words" can precede something that bears no resemblance whatsoever to what was actually said.

If you really think "my" definition of troll is "unique," I suggest you take it up with these folks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
 
I like this one:
As a pejorative, the term, "troll", is often used to slander opponents in heated debates, in a way similar to the use of the term "noob" in online games. Both the person who identifies himself as a "troll", and the one who vehemently denies it, will use the term, demonstrating to neutral third parties that both participants are, in fact, trolls. Accordingly, the view has arisen in some circles that the plural, "trolls", is a valid term, and that, as it takes two to troll, it is not valid to refer to anyone in the singular, i.e. "troll". Others, however, feel that "it only takes a boat to troll, and the fish has a choice as to whether to bite or not". In other words, they claim that one person can do it alone. Then again, it must be noted that for some fish, biting is a conditioned reflex.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

That being said, I'm so out of here!
 
Jocko said:
Who's trolling? Z-N is hardcore, and occassionally rabid, but he always comes with his sources squared away. The OP is a good example. You can disagree with his position and his tone, but you'd best be ready to deal with a mountain of citations when you do.

Trolls, on the other hand, usually pop into threads with nothing to add, and instead post... oh, I don't know,some kind of smilie, affecting a laughable sense of superiority.

Jes' saying.
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You haven't been reading Z-N's posts then, have you. He is the 'king' of smilies in the politics forum.
 
gaza - gateway to Palestine

I feel that it is safe now to enter the discussion, since both cleon and orwell have insisted they are leaving this thread to those of us who actually wish to make relevant comments.

A recent article in the Baltimore SUN offers some insight about the future prospects of Gaza, as a tourism destination; the gateway to the Holy Land.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/na...,4631433.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines
It seems strange to consider Gaza as a vacation site, but once the Dehanyia International Airport runway is repaved and the terminal re-opens, the traffic through Gaza will increase.

Additionally, Z-N proposes an investigation into "why there are no huge Palestinian developments going up on the abandoned Israeli lands in Gaza."

I know that there are going to be several projects initiated, among them:
http://www.menareport.com/en/business,Economy_and_Trade/186760
  • UAE President, Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al-Nahyan on Sunday instructed that a whole city bearing the name of "Khalifa bin Zayed" is to be constructed on the grounds of the ex-Israeli settlements in Gaza Strip.
    To that effect Sheikh Khalifa has approved the sum of US$100 million for funding the humanitarian project, which is expected to accommodate 30-40 thousand Palestinian citizens. The UAE leader also instructed the UAE Department of Municipalities and Agriculture to accomplish the construction of the city in collaboration with UN Relief and Employment of Palestinian Refugees Agency, and then distribute the homes to the beneficiaries, together with the Palestinian Authority.
    The proposed city is the fourth project to be donated by the UAE to the Palestinian people in Gaza Strip. The other three projects are Sheikh Zaid's City in Gaza Strip, the Janin Camp Re-construction Project and the Emirates Neighborhood in Rafah.

Yes, it is the terrorism and the lack of proper security which makes the headlines, but behind the scenes, the Palestinians of Gaza can move forward and reverse their desperate conditions... if they so desire. IMO.
 
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