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The Trump Presidency (Act V - The One Where Everybody Dies)

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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Trump thinks arming teachers is a good idea, so long as they're properly trained. Meanwhile, a teacher who is a reserve police officer accidentally fired his gun in class, injuring three students
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I think we can stipulate that accidental discharges of firearms occur. They happen with soldiers, police officers, and anyone who is obligated to carry a weapon as part of their job.

With proper training and properly maintained weapons, they should occur very rarely. In most instances one can point to “operator error”. It happens. And should be addressed on a case-by-case basis when it does.
 
Pixel42 said:
The way that reads to me is that Trump is bragging that his instinct was right, even though he had no idea of the actual facts. What I can't work out is whether he actually was right, mostly because I can't tell whether either man is referring to the US's trade deficit with Canada, or Canada's trade deficit with the US.
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It's in keeping with him bragging about faking knowledge (he's done this repeatedly concerning trade, NATO, and the like), and he almost always does this in order to belittle allies and accuse them of "scamming" us.

I'd assume he's doing exactly the same thing here that he's been doing for years now.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I think we can stipulate that accidental discharges of firearms occur. They happen with soldiers, police officers, and anyone who is obligated to carry a weapon as part of their job.

With proper training and properly maintained weapons, they should occur very rarely. In most instances one can point to “operator error”. It happens. And should be addressed on a case-by-case basis when it does.
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I think many would prefer if these accidents don't happen in a school where your children must go every day. The easiest way to prevent it from happening in a school is to not allow guns in school. Seems an easy fix.
 
uke2se said:
I think many would prefer if these accidents don't happen in a school where your children must go every day. The easiest way to prevent it from happening in a school is to not allow guns in school. Seems an easy fix.
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I did not mean to make a case for arming select teachers, though I do not dismiss the idea out of hand.

My point was that cherry-picking accidental discharges by teachers as a reason not to arm teachers might not be the best reason. Using that logic, accidental discharges by soldiers or police officers or security guards could be pointed to as reasons to disarm those folks as well. What it really highlights is the need for better training.
 
Dread Pirate Roberts said:
In fundraising speech, Trump says he made up facts in meeting with Justin Trudeau
http://wapo.st/2FJgDd0



I've spent a few minutes trying to formulate a comment to this. It is indeed incredible, I'll give him that...
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:)

In that same article:

“It’s the bowling ball test. They take a bowling ball from 20 feet up in the air and drop it on the hood of the car,” Trump said of Japan. “If the hood dents, the car doesn’t qualify. It’s horrible,” he said. It was unclear what he was talking about. :confused:
 
Mumbles said:
It's in keeping with him bragging about faking knowledge (he's done this repeatedly concerning trade, NATO, and the like), and he almost always does this in order to belittle allies and accuse them of "scamming" us.

I'd assume he's doing exactly the same thing here that he's been doing for years now.
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Makes me thing that in Trumps mind there are no allies.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I did not mean to make a case for arming select teachers, though I do not dismiss the idea out of hand.

My point was that cherry-picking accidental discharges by teachers as a reason not to arm teachers might not be the best reason. Using that logic, accidental discharges by soldiers or police officers or security guards could be pointed to as reasons to disarm those folks as well. What it really highlights is the need for better training.
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They are not handling their weapons around children all day though.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I did not mean to make a case for arming select teachers, though I do not dismiss the idea out of hand.

My point was that cherry-picking accidental discharges by teachers as a reason not to arm teachers might not be the best reason. Using that logic, accidental discharges by soldiers or police officers or security guards could be pointed to as reasons to disarm those folks as well. What it really highlights is the need for better training.
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A reserve cop isn't getting enough training?

How are these teachers supposed to be getting enough training to avoid accidental discharges amongst groups of children at the same time as they do their job - which is teaching children, not playing good guy - bad guy with crazed lunatics?
 
ponderingturtle said:
They are not handling their weapons around children all day though.
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I see a spectrum.

Arming a kindergarten teacher in Chicago is one thing.

Arming a Driver's Ed teacher who did a tour of duty in Afghanistan in a rural Wyoming school is another.

I think allowing state or local municipalities decide on a case-by-case basis is reasonable.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
I did not mean to make a case for arming select teachers, though I do not dismiss the idea out of hand.

My point was that cherry-picking accidental discharges by teachers as a reason not to arm teachers might not be the best reason. Using that logic, accidental discharges by soldiers or police officers or security guards could be pointed to as reasons to disarm those folks as well. What it really highlights is the need for better training.
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I doubt you have the slightest idea how utterly weird your country seems out in the normal world. Schools as a low-key war-zone has actually become normalised in your thinking. "The answer is obvious : Kevlar vests should be part of a school's uniform. And bullet-proof textbooks should be standard." It beggars belief.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I see a spectrum.

Arming a kindergarten teacher in Chicago is one thing.

Arming a Driver's Ed teacher who did a tour of duty in Afghanistan in a rural Wyoming school is another.

I think allowing state or local municipalities decide on a case-by-case basis is reasonable.
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Which is supposed to be the better case for arming them? What are the threats faced in rural wyoming vs chicago?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Trump thinks arming teachers is a good idea, so long as they're properly trained. Meanwhile, a teacher who is a reserve police officer accidentally fired his gun in class, injuring three students
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Weird. Gun goes off in a school and no one seems to notice or call the cops.

"A teacher at a Northern California high school accidentally fired his gun inside a classroom, causing minor injuries to three students, but kept teaching while the students sat there,..."

"Gonzales said police didn’t arrive at the school to investigate until three hours later and the family filed a police report."
 
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If Trump really does believe that arming teachers will make things safer for students, then the White House staff should also be armed to make things safer for Trump.
 
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