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It seriously only took me 5 minutes to find three wacky Soros links.
What, Democracy in Chains isn't good enough for you? The fact that this skewed, poorly researched and manipulative book was shortlisted for the American Book Award isn't crazy enough?

Find the links, and then you can claim it's not false.
OK, just for you Kellyb here are 2 more wacko links about the Koch Brothers:

The Koch Brothers’ Vision for America will Destroy Everything you Love Including your Public Library


THE COUP TO DESTROY THE AMERICAN DREAM
 
What, Democracy in Chains isn't good enough for you? The fact that this skewed, poorly researched and manipulative book was shortlisted for the American Book Award isn't crazy enough?

OK, just for you Kellyb here are 2 more wacko links about the Koch Brothers:

The Koch Brothers’ Vision for America will Destroy Everything you Love Including your Public Library


THE COUP TO DESTROY THE AMERICAN DREAM

Excluding the attention-grabbing, hyperbole-laden title, which specific claims in link 1 do you dispute?

eta: or link #2?
 
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I am reading through the material about how the Koch brothers work to defeat funding new public libraries. Hard to understand the reasoning. It should be a community decision without Americans for Prosperity arriving to do direct mailings and robo calls urging people to vote against their community's new library.

A major difference between Soros and the Koch's is, Soros at least tells the public what he wants and why. He's written at least a half-dozen books. He always makes himself available for news interviews. The Koch brothers are secretive. They never explain anything and only recently have begun to consent to being interviewed. How can you have a functioning democracy when people who acquire enormous influence in the political realm do it secretly? I understand people agreeing with the Koch's politics or positions. I cannot for the life of me understand how people can be okay with multi-billionaires acquiring great influence in the political system and yet remain outside the usual means of communication. The danger is obvious yet some people profess not to see it.

I think as a way of compensating for that they attack George Soros.
 
I am reading through the material about how the Koch brothers work to defeat funding new public libraries. Hard to understand the reasoning. It should be a community decision without Americans for Prosperity arriving to do direct mailings and robo calls urging people to vote against their community's new library.

Libraries are public and educational. Republicans HATE public education. Educated and informed voters are not their base.
 
Excluding the attention-grabbing, hyperbole-laden title, which specific claims in link 1 do you dispute?

eta: or link #2?


What do you dispute from the wackiest claims you posted? Obviously, Soros isn’t part of a Satanic conspiracy; however, his clear support for abortion is viewed as Satanicly influenced by Christians. Stupid view maybe but from a Christian point of view, perfectly logical.

Similarly, the Koch’s are not out to kill the American Dream or keep filthy poor people away from libraries. They just don’t like big government. You can disagree with them but that doesn’t make them evil. Apparently, a lot of Plainview citizens agreed with them about the library initiative because they couldn’t pass it in 2009 (no Koch involvement) and it didn’t pass this time. Not quite fair to pin it all on the Koch brothers.
 
I found a fair way to qualify how Soros is treated differently than Koch brothers

Snopes.com

Articles about Koch brothers: 3

Articles about Soros: 21
 
What do you dispute from the wackiest claims you posted? Obviously, Soros isn’t part of a Satanic conspiracy; however, his clear support for abortion is viewed as Satanicly influenced by Christians. Stupid view maybe but from a Christian point of view, perfectly logical.

Similarly, the Koch’s are not out to kill the American Dream or keep filthy poor people away from libraries. They just don’t like big government. You can disagree with them but that doesn’t make them evil. Apparently, a lot of Plainview citizens agreed with them about the library initiative because they couldn’t pass it in 2009 (no Koch involvement) and it didn’t pass this time. Not quite fair to pin it all on the Koch brothers.

Rational in the context of GIGO is irrelevant. The claims in that link are:
1) there's an ancient supernatural being either using or controlling Soros
2) Soros was involved in the Vegas "false flag" which:
- 2.5- presupposes that the Vegas shooting was a false flag in the first place

So, the answer to your question: "What do you dispute from the wackiest claims you posted?" is: every single bit of it from the link you addressed, link 3.


Koch’s are not out to kill the American Dream

Depends on if you consider things like public education part of the American Dream.

or keep filthy poor people away from libraries
They want to prevent library upgrades and defund existing public libraries. What else do you make of this successful campaign...

http://everylibrary.org/koch-brothers-funded-anti-library-robo-calls-plainfield-il/

Which resulted in:


“a 20 percent cut to services and programs will be needed to keep the existing building functional in the long term.”

“a 20 percent cut to services and programs will be needed to keep the existing building functional in the long term.”

“a 20 percent cut to services and programs will be needed to keep the existing building functional in the long term.”

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Not quite fair to pin it all on the Koch brothers
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They were instrumental:
https://lj.libraryjournal.com/2016/...brary-district-referenda-lose-to-robocalling/



As far as I can tell, this is all objectively true.

This is not at all on par with claims of Soros being controlled by Satan and involved in government false flag spree killings.
 
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No. Someone else got money from Soros and opposes the perv politically, so it's all Soro's fault. The victim didn't. But they are both filthy liberal wimmins.

Yeah I screwed that up. So much Soros nuttery to keep up with.

Libraries are public and educational. Republicans HATE public education. Educated and informed voters are not their base.

Basically. I never see MAGA hats in our library but they are everywhere at the rodeo and destruction derby.
 
No, I understand the left's arguments concerning voter ID laws and even agree with them to some extent. However, I also think that there is some merit to protecting the integrity of the voting system. I don't think of the issue in terms of scare words.

Which is why it is important to limit polling places in the wrong neighborhoods, make it so that people who work can not get to the places to get the needed ID's and so on. Of course worrying about russian hacking is exactly the kind of thing we can't be bothered with that is why the republican administration is closing down the agencies that protect voting from that.
 
Similarly, the Koch’s are not out to kill the American Dream or keep filthy poor people away from libraries. They just don’t like big government. You can disagree with them but that doesn’t make them evil. Apparently, a lot of Plainview citizens agreed with them about the library initiative because they couldn’t pass it in 2009 (no Koch involvement) and it didn’t pass this time. Not quite fair to pin it all on the Koch brothers.

So they hate libraries, and that is a true and factual statement why is that then some big lying conspiracy to say that?
 
well that didn't take long to get a tu quoque.

let me make this simple, folks, I am just defending the right's view, I am not attempting to justify it, to claim that it is not cognitive dissonance, etc.


That makes no sense at all.

How can you defend it if you don't support it and can't justify it?
 
That makes no sense at all.

How can you defend it if you don't support it and can't justify it?

You are quite correct and I do apologize. I had meant to type that I am not defending it.

Again I apologize for the obvious confusion caused by my unclear post.
 
Rational in the context of GIGO is irrelevant. The claims in that link are:
1) there's an ancient supernatural being either using or controlling Soros
2) Soros was involved in the Vegas "false flag" which:
- 2.5- presupposes that the Vegas shooting was a false flag in the first place

So, the answer to your question: "What do you dispute from the wackiest claims you posted?" is: every single bit of it from the link you addressed, link 3.
Fair enough.

Depends on if you consider things like public education part of the American Dream.
This is beginning to address the core of what I'm getting at. "The American Dream" is an emotional phrase; it doesn't represent any actual guarantees of anything. Rational people can disagree on exactly how public education is carried out, for example. They can disagree on whether or not healthcare should be a right. The problem is that neither side takes the time to listen to the other on the actual issues. Instead, we address them by using emotional terms like: "Soros is in league with Satan! The Kochs are evil!"
It's always put into terms that if you don't agree with me, you must be evil. Don't want Single-Payer Universal Healthcare? You want to kill poor people! Don't want to increase taxes? You hate libraries!

In my mind, this kind of rhetoric is much more insidious and much more harmful to the national dialogue than the obviously insane crap like, "Soros was involved in the Las Vegas false flag operation!"

They want to prevent library upgrades and defund existing public libraries. What else do you make of this successful campaign...
No, they don't want to raise a tax rate and have the government go into debt in order to do it. You can have nice libraries without having to raise taxes, you know. My town did it by renovating an old Wal-Mart into one of the best libraries in the country. So it's a bit disingenuous to say that the Kochs hate libraries; it's taxes they hate.

Objectively true? No, it's a spin on what happened. AFP teamed up with locals who didn't want a tax rate increase to fight the measure. There was already local opposition; it isn't as if it was all fine and dandy and about to pass until the Kochs and their evil robots spoiled the day.
This is not at all on par with claims of Soros being controlled by Satan and involved in government false flag spree killings.
On that, we agree. I do see that crazier stuff is said about Soros, so I'll concede that point. But my larger point is that the crazy stuff is easily dismissed and no one really believes that except for some kooks. Much more insidious is the less-crazy emotional spin put on the actions of our political opponents instead of addressing the actual issues. One can oppose increased taxes or support abortion rights without being the embodiment of evil.
 
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