Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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quadraginta said:
Wanna trade? Your Head of State political genius who hides it well for ours?

We'll even throw in some miscellaneous Secretaries and advisors to sweeten the deal. They're all the very best, I'm assured.
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Tempting, but I think it's a wash.
 
The thing is, May is in a position to do untold damage to the future of this country by dint of when she is PM, at a critical point in UK legislative history that will change the way we deal with the world for decades. (If she were just a bit useless during a time we wren't ripping the country to sheds, she'd be much less worrying)

Trump is able to do untold damage to the US and the US reputation abroad simply by dint of being Donald Trump.


I shudder to think of the carnage that could be enabled by putting Donald Trump in charge of a seminal moment in UK history. It's a double whammy.
 
Good point, well made - and of course Farage is a link between the two.

As is Putin.
 
jimbob said:
Well at least the EU is concerned about keeping peace in Northern Ireland.

Given that an open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is vital for the Good Friday Agreement, that means that Northern Ireland needs to be in the Customs Union.
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So Northern Ireland, with 3% of the UK population, should determine the political future for the other 97%?

Is the expressed will of the people to be cravenly surrendered due to threats of violence?
 
GlennB said:
And now John Major has weighed in, pointing out to May that she can't have the cake and eat it. Perhaps her cunning plan is to have membership of a customs union forced upon her by Parliament, absolving her from blame?
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Perhaps John Major's cunning plan is to override the democratic decision taken by the UK voters. It's like he's back in his salad days of the Maastricht Treaty when he never had to bother checking with the people before surrendering our democratic rights to the EU. These days he would be better advised to stick to commentating on cricket.
 
ceptimus said:
Perhaps John Major's cunning plan is to override the democratic decision taken by the UK voters. It's like he's back in his salad days of the Maastricht Treaty when he never had to bother checking with the people before surrendering our democratic rights to the EU. These days he would be better advised to stick to commentating on cricket.
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What? Allowing a free vote, and a second referendum, when the public know what the options actually are, and Leave can't lie about what they can negotiate to achieve?
 
Giz said:
So Northern Ireland, with 3% of the UK population, should determine the political future for the other 97%?

Is the expressed will of the people to be cravenly surrendered due to threats of violence?
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How about you behave like adults and honour the agreements you've already signed up to?

Starting with the Good Friday Agreement.
 
jimbob said:
What? Allowing a free vote, and a second referendum, when the public know what the options actually are, and Leave can't lie about what they can negotiate to achieve?
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This is the bit that drives me mental. It has been demonstrated that Boris, Nigel, Aaron and Chris the Maltese Kiwi were flat out lying but, for some reason, the results of a non-binding referendum based on a pack of lies must be implemented. Not only that, but we're not allowed to reconsider in the light of actual facts rather than leave based ********.

What's worse is those that are still buying the **** they're selling.



It's *********** lunatic.
 
This is how democracy works. The side that wins gets its way permanently and forever (provided "its way" aligns with what some foreign billionaires want) and anyone who opposes The Will Of The People is an Enemy Of The People.

This is why we only ever had one general election in this country and then the people who voted for the losing party were hung drawn and quartered.

This is how democracy works. Why don't you remoaners get over it!
 
Hubert Cumberdale said:
This is how democracy works. The side that wins gets its way permanently and forever (provided "its way" aligns with what some foreign billionaires want) and anyone who opposes The Will Of The People is an Enemy Of The People.

This is why we only ever had one general election in this country and then the people who voted for the losing party were hung drawn and quartered.

This is how democracy works. Why don't you remoaners get over it!
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Democracy relies on the populace being educated enough to spot when campaigners are lying con-men.


Oh, and here, from some time ago, just in case anyone's missed it, is one of the lying con-men talking about how successful his lying is and how telling the truth just wouldn't have got him what he wanted.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ork-arron-banks-lies-referendum-a7111001.html
 
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Giz said:
You're happy for referendums to be overridden by threats?
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What threats?

The Good Friday Agreement was also passed by a referendum, and signed up to by two democratically elected governments. Are you happy for democracy in NI to be over ridden?
 
Giz said:
So Northern Ireland, with 3% of the UK population, should determine the political future for the other 97%?

Is the expressed will of the people to be cravenly surrendered due to threats of violence?
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The will of that part of the population of N Ireland (in the referendum in N Ireland, please recall that Remain won, by 56%-44%) so the Brexit intransigents in NI are a minority of a minority of the Uk population.

Here is another characteristic. They will not declare independence under any conditions. They insist on Union with Britain. In reality they must be part of the UK, or unite with the rest of Ireland. If they are unhappy with their political future in the UK, the second is their only option, because independence for NI appears out of the question.

But I am unhappily inclined to predict that such a process as the establishment of a United Ireland will not be effected peacefully.
 
Times Columnist Iain Martin sees the EU proposals as a plan to annex Northern Ireland.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Times Columnist Iain Martin sees the EU proposals as a plan to annex Northern Ireland.
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I wonder if he thinks it's a plot hatched by continental Romists. Rudyard Kipling had that in mind when he wrote in 1912, re Irish Home Rule.
We know the war prepared
On every peaceful home,
We know the hells declared
For such as serve not Rome -
The terror, threats, and dread
In market, hearth, and field -
We know, when all is said,
We perish if we yield.​
 
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