Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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Northern Ireland 'to be part of EU customs territory'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43219559

"According to RTE's sources, the draft text will also state that, under the backstop option, joint EU-UK customs teams will be required to apply checks on goods coming from the UK into the new regulatory space, but will not specify where those checks will take place"

Does this means I'll have to suffer customs checks when going from one part of the country that I live in to another part of the country that I live in? Because that sounds like a *********** terrible idea.
 
3point14 said:
Northern Ireland 'to be part of EU customs territory'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43219559

"According to RTE's sources, the draft text will also state that, under the backstop option, joint EU-UK customs teams will be required to apply checks on goods coming from the UK into the new regulatory space, but will not specify where those checks will take place"

Does this means I'll have to suffer customs checks when going from one part of the country that I live in to another part of the country that I live in? Because that sounds like a *********** terrible idea.
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It is almost as if really terrible ideas are the only options. Remember your blue passport when going to northern ireland.
 
3point14 said:
Northern Ireland 'to be part of EU customs territory'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43219559

"According to RTE's sources, the draft text will also state that, under the backstop option, joint EU-UK customs teams will be required to apply checks on goods coming from the UK into the new regulatory space, but will not specify where those checks will take place"

Does this means I'll have to suffer customs checks when going from one part of the country that I live in to another part of the country that I live in? Because that sounds like a *********** terrible idea.
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You don't count, you are just collateral damage
 
3point14 said:
Northern Ireland 'to be part of EU customs territory'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43219559

"According to RTE's sources, the draft text will also state that, under the backstop option, joint EU-UK customs teams will be required to apply checks on goods coming from the UK into the new regulatory space, but will not specify where those checks will take place"

Does this means I'll have to suffer customs checks when going from one part of the country that I live in to another part of the country that I live in? Because that sounds like a *********** terrible idea.
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I'm not clear as to how this really addresses the problem.

Doesn't it just move it from the border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland to one shore or the other of the Irish Sea?

Is Northern Ireland going to be a de facto member of the E.U. for customs purposes?

Which jurisdiction will products produced in N.I. fall under?
 
3point14 said:
Northern Ireland 'to be part of EU customs territory'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43219559

"According to RTE's sources, the draft text will also state that, under the backstop option, joint EU-UK customs teams will be required to apply checks on goods coming from the UK into the new regulatory space, but will not specify where those checks will take place"

Does this means I'll have to suffer customs checks when going from one part of the country that I live in to another part of the country that I live in? Because that sounds like a *********** terrible idea.
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Not necessarily. Its a fall back position if the EU and UK fail to reach any other agreement which can keep the Irish border open, it prevents Britain from using Ireland as a bargaining chip during the trade negotiations.

Its more likely I think that the entire UK will be in a bilateral customs union with the EU.
 
To be honest, I think all bets are off. May established her ability to do a good job in the Home Office - i.e. none. The rest are clowns who could act as poster boys for the Dunning-Kruger effect. You ever had a boss who gave a complex job to the department idiot to "prove they can do it" and then watch them descend into a mass of quivering ineffectiveness flailing at contradictory approaches?
 
quadraginta said:
I'm not clear as to how this really addresses the problem.

Doesn't it just move it from the border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland to one shore or the other of the Irish Sea?

Is Northern Ireland going to be a de facto member of the E.U. for customs purposes?

Which jurisdiction will products produced in N.I. fall under?
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Well at least the EU is concerned about keeping peace in Northern Ireland.

Given that an open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is vital for the Good Friday Agreement, that means that Northern Ireland needs to be in the Customs Union.

If May is remotely interested in the good of the country, preserving the Good Friday Agreement should take absolute primacy in the Brexit negotiations.

Mind you, as she lets cabinet members undermine her, she demonstrates her lack of moral fibre. I know that she is a leader of a minority government, but she could have more authority if she actually tried to exercise it.

Johnson really should go*. At the moment, it seems that May regards several of her cabinet as too powerful to rein in.


*To make one counterproductive statement on Northern Ireland might be generously written off as him being crass, to be in the news for two separate issues in one week is more. It's hardly as though he's been loyal or effective before this.
 
3point14 said:
Northern Ireland 'to be part of EU customs territory'

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43219559

Does this means I'll have to suffer customs checks when going from one part of the country that I live in to another part of the country that I live in? Because that sounds like a *********** terrible idea.
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So Kipling thought in 1912 when he wrote a poem denouncing the then Irish Home Rule Bill.
What answer from the North?
One Law, one Land, one Throne.
If England drive us forth,
We shall not fall alone.​
Not long after that, Ireland was partitioned and people had to suffer customs checks going from one part of the country they lived in to another part of the country they lived in. It was a *********** terrible idea, and as we can see, it has given rise to a series of insoluble problems, and much distress and bloodshed.
 
jimbob said:
Johnson really should go*. At the moment, it seems that May regards several of her cabinet as too powerful to rein in.
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In the days when losing your cabinet position actually harmed a politician's career I'd definitely agree, but as politics stand at the moment I'm torn, on the one hand I don't think the likes of Johnson, Gove,and Davis come close to the caliber required for their roles. On the other hand they created this situation and I fear that replacing them will allow them to avoid the fustercluck they've created and swoop in afterwards claiming that everything would have been wonderful had they been in charge, and that a sufficiently large portion of the electorate would believe them.
 
Watching Theresa come to the realisations that most of us came to years ago is incredibly rewarding. She can't accept the EU proposal but doesn't have an alternative. She doesn't seem to be so keen on following the will of the people who voted for a hard border with Ireland either.

Hell mend her
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Watching Theresa come to the realisations that most of us came to years ago is incredibly rewarding. She can't accept the EU proposal but doesn't have an alternative. She doesn't seem to be so keen on following the will of the people who voted for a hard border with Ireland either.

Hell mend her
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I just think she's really not very clever at all and she's surrounded herself with people she understands.
 
And now John Major has weighed in, pointing out to May that she can't have the cake and eat it. Perhaps her cunning plan is to have membership of a customs union forced upon her by Parliament, absolving her from blame? Could she survive losing that vote? Maybe she's a political genius who hides it well? ;)
 
GlennB said:
And now John Major has weighed in, pointing out to May that she can't have the cake and eat it. Perhaps her cunning plan is to have membership of a customs union forced upon her by Parliament, absolving her from blame? Could she survive losing that vote? Maybe she's a political genius who hides it well? ;)
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Wanna trade? Your Head of State political genius who hides it well for ours?

We'll even throw in some miscellaneous Secretaries and advisors to sweeten the deal. They're all the very best, I'm assured.
 
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quadraginta said:
Wanna trade? Your Head of State political genius who hides it well for ours?

We'll even throw in some miscellaneous Secretaries and advisors to sweeten the deal. They're all the very best, I'm assured.
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Would that involve Trump the Dumpf being in charge of the NI peace process, because if so I warn you he might not survive the experience.
 
And David Davis (although the idea that he's the only Brexiteer with any grasp on realty is... sobering)

We'll throw in Rees Mogg too
 
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