From that article:
Well duh !
Unless you're of the opinion that the EU should just park the 4 freedoms..
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From that article:
Well duh !
Unless you're of the opinion that the EU should just park the 4 freedoms..
In a 20-mile customs queue on the M20?
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Brexit will not lead to Mad-Max style world, says David Davis.
that's good news then.
But it's a bit of a change from the promises of utopia to giving reassurance it's not going to be the complete collapse of society and civilisation as we know it.
that's good news then.
But it's a bit of a change from the promises of utopia to giving reassurance it's not going to be the complete collapse of society and civilisation as we know it.
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Ah Davis giving us more of the inspiring rhetoric that we've come to expect from the Brexiters. Although we seem to have gone from "sunlit uplands" and "£350 million a week for the NHS" to "at least we won't make you fight in the Thunderdome".
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Yes, that really is a not-so-subtle change in the messaging. When we were in the early stages of the Brexit process and a large chunk of the UK population weren't informed of the complexities and interconnection of the negotiations, and the fundamental contradictions in the position favoured by Brexiteers it was all going to be moonbeams and unicorns.
Our trading relationship with the EU would continue as before. We'd be able to go to the EU unhindered but they wouldn't be able to come here. We wouldn't have to abide by EU laws and standards and yet would enjoy unfettered tariff-free access to the EEA. We'd also have 40+ free trade agreements in place on day 1 and the world would be beating a path to our door to make those relationships even more advantageous for the UK.
As a Remoaner, it's been obvious to me that the only way that the UK can become more competitive is to drop "expensive" EU worker and environmental protections so that we compete with the developing world on price and not the developed world on innovation and quality. It's also pretty clear that any large economy (in other words one with whom it's worth cultivating a major trade relationship) is likely to have the whip hand in negotiations post-Brexit when a UK government needs to make face-saving trade deals in a hurry.
This news from David Davis is not reassuring. If he's willing to admit that things are going to be bad, imagine how bad they're really going to be.
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Hmm I think it is going to be a no deal hard brexit when the timeline on article 50 runs out next year. The UK might simply be intending to kick the can down the road indefinitely but with no progress will the EU nations give an extension?
This thread makes me happy, you might not have us beat for stupidity in government but at least we have some competition.
This thread makes me happy, you might not have us beat for stupidity in government but at least we have some competition.
I suspect that the good captain is a victim of predictive text on his phone. I think this should read:
"A number of Brexiteers are getting ready to stitch up Ireland. They seem to be pushing the line that the Good Friday Agreement is already 'broken' and should be scrapped."
Not sure how that would play with the DUP but a scrapping of the GFA followed by a resumption of "The Troubles" would be another thing that Brexiteers would seek to lay at the EU's door
It's bad enough gambling with people's livelihoods, but gambling with people's lives is IMO despicable.
I think that speech was more intended to rebut Reese-Mogg's pronouncements than anything else. Not because Rees-Mogg was wrong, but because he was revealing the government's real Brexit plan before the next election is out of the way.
Meanwhile the Daily Mail cares about none of this, they are frothing about the fact that 35 years ago Jeremy Corbyn met an intelligence from one country that no longer exists who reported to another country that no longer exists either...
We've gone from sunshine and puppies to light drizzle and a promise you won't have to eat a puppy to stay alive.
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Oddly enough, that's pretty much what I said to my colleagues when we were discussing this today. It won't be like Mad Max, because that was quite dusty.
The good news about such rags is that they have their audience but I don't believe they're going to recruit any more. Possibly the reverse.
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Her reason is she wants to remain PM. Or more charitably she's putting party above country.
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New Conservative Contact Law Announced-:
"Break a Deal, Face the Wheel"
Henceforth Gove and Johnson to be refered to as "Master Blaster".
"Break a Deal, Face the Wheel"
Henceforth Gove and Johnson to be refered to as "Master Blaster".
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I suspect that the good captain is a victim of predictive text on his phone. I think this should read:
"A number of Brexiteers are getting ready to stitch up Ireland. They seem to be pushing the line that the Good Friday Agreement is already 'broken' and should be scrapped."
Not sure how that would play with the DUP but a scrapping of the GFA followed by a resumption of "The Troubles" would be another thing that Brexiteers would seek to lay at the EU's door
It's bad enough gambling with people's livelihoods, but gambling with people's lives is IMO despicable.
Oops yes you are right, was typing that on my crummy phone.
Which is what they don't seem to understand, their readers already hate Corbyn and barring revelations that he was a KGB mole no one else really cares.
Their Brexit coverage doesn't rise above how evil the EU is.
And as Ken Clarke has said, Corbyn would be less of a disaster than this current government's course.
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At least you've got that much. Our entire Presidential Administration is in the pocket of the Russians, from the President on down, with the leaders of their party in both chambers of Congress aiding and abetting at every opportunity, and none of their supporters could care less.
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