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MikeG said:
No it isn't. It is completely ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Having such sums of money swishing about in politics inevitably skews policies towards those with that sort of largesse to chuck around..........which doesn't include those who the politicians are actually supposed to be representing: their constituents. Did you deliberately ignore where I suggested limiting donations to a max $100,000?
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I prefer more like 100 to 150 dollars max and no combine operations so no person can sneak in more or wannabe big donors have a pass around.

Of course I also want Electoral College votes to be equalized by purely counting eligible voters and making districts completely random with no more than 3 % of the voters over or under the majority and with no consideration of neighborhoods (etc.) - just even in each district for each state. One person one vote whether they live on the coasts, in the center of in the south or north.
 
fuelair said:
I prefer more like 100 to 150 dollars max and no combine operations so no person can sneak in more or wannabe big donors have a pass around.

Of course I also want Electoral College votes to be equalized by purely counting eligible voters and making districts completely random with no more than 3 % of the voters over or under the majority and with no consideration of neighborhoods (etc.) - just even in each district for each state. One person one vote whether they live on the coasts, in the center of in the south or north.
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Oh, and public execution of any politician taking bribes or "gifts" and for any donors trying to evade the law on donations.

Also, Trumpf has enlightened my political beliefs and desire to change many of the laws to way tighten the reigns on elected officials re: money, hiring/firing, maintaining any ownerships, investments, etc. or influencing them in any way while in office - with the person maintaining them being neutral and subject to the same punishment if not, following all laws and requirements of office with the penalty for failing any of same also being public execution.
 
I hear conservatives trying to blame the FBI for this shooting. I would like to know what laws the FBI failed to enforce in this case.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
"Because it might not work, we shouldn't even try."
Is that the American spirit now?
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Don't think so. One half wants nothing done, not even the slightest. The other wants to ban guns as much as possible, preferably completely. Overlap and room for consensus is minimal.
But I only see it by optics of the internet.

Btw. here in Czech Republic we are just through some local legislation being worked on to incorporate new EU directives about weapons. It's quite mild, the harshest thing is limit magazine size for long rifle to 10. Ie. no AR-15, no AK-47, most notably no VZ-58.
Lots of people have them, but most gun enthusiasts here have handguns or hunting rifles.
At least not with original mags. The law actually targets the magazines alone. You can't have them.
There is also limit to 20 round magazines for handguns, which uses pretty much nobody. There are also some smaller things, like registration of deactivated guns.
Sounds pretty reasonable so far. But the debate is heated too. Like Czech vs. rest of the EU. But then Czech Republic is kinda Texas of EU. Everybody and their mum packs. And getting gun license more popular then ever, with current raise in EU terrorism.
 
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Dr.Sid said:
Don't think so. One half wants nothing done, not even the slightest. The other wants to ban guns as much as possible, preferably completely. Overlap and room for consensus is minimal.
But I only see it by optics of the internet.
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Strawman. Some on the left want to ban guns completely, but they are a minority. Most would prefer much greater regulation, but no outright bans. If you think that most gun control advocates want to "to ban guns as much as possible, preferably completely", I'm afraid you've been drinking the cool-aid.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Don't think so. One half wants nothing done, not even the slightest. The other wants to ban guns as much as possible, preferably completely. Overlap and room for consensus is minimal.
But I only see it by optics of the internet.
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I get that it can look that way when seeing the online discussions, but the reality is that many Americans want to see some additional gun control but do not want anything like a total ban on private gun ownership. Details vary enormously, but an awful lot of us could be broadly called moderate on the issue.
 
Civet said:
I get that it can look that way when seeing the online discussions, but the reality is that many Americans want to see some additional gun control but do not want anything like a total ban on private gun ownership. Details vary enormously, but an awful lot of us could be broadly called moderate on the issue.
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This is true. Gun lovers have taken the position that anyone who doesn't support the notion of having no gun laws is a "gun grabber."
 
MikeG said:
No it isn't. It is completely ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Having such sums of money swishing about in politics inevitably skews policies towards those with that sort of largesse to chuck around..........which doesn't include those who the politicians are actually supposed to be representing: their constituents. Did you deliberately ignore where I suggested limiting donations to a max $100,000?
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What do you want me to express about your cap?

Plenty of rich liberals out there. They could find 40 million to sway Trump to be anti gun. They didn't.

Here is a list of senators and how much they received.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...6B70F776F3A44E9B27B&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion

Do you think if a liberal doubled the offer (an achievable amount) that any of these would turn from pro gun to anti gun?
 
The National Review is suggesting that Gun Violence Restraining Orders might be a gun control measure that Republicans could support. We already have 'em here in California. Seems like the kind of thing that could get bipartisan support. There was some fear that they might get overused but that hasn't happened and that's in California.
 
William Parcher said:
Can you (or anyone) describe a GVRO in a few sentences using plain English? I haven't heard of it before and would like a very brief description.
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It's a system under which a person's guns can be confiscated and their right to purchase new guns restricted temporarily if he poses an immediate and present danger to himself or others. It can be requested by either the police or by a close family member. In California, a 21-day GVRO can be easily acquired in much the same way as a domestic violence restraining order. For longer ones (I think they can run up to a year) there's a hearing where evidence has to be provided to justify the GVRO and the subject has an opportunity to defend/explain himself.
 
Civet said:
I get that it can look that way when seeing the online discussions, but the reality is that many Americans want to see some additional gun control but do not want anything like a total ban on private gun ownership. Details vary enormously, but an awful lot of us could be broadly called moderate on the issue.
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Let me put it this way. There's something like 75-80 million gun owners in America.

The NRA, by far the largest and most influential gun rights group in America, claims an "active" membership of 5 million and I'd put folding money on the table right now that that number is even massively inflated or they are playing fast and loose with what they define as "active."

There's plenty of room for compromise.
 
I do not know if this will gain momentum or not:

There are protests and walk-outs planned for 14 March, 24 March, and 20 April. Some are comparing it to the American Civil Rights Movement and say the protest marches and school walk-outs will continue until changes in gun laws are made.

I have no idea how this will play out and make a difference or not. I can not feel optimistic that things will change. But, as others have said, this one feels different.......

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...inaction-students-fed-up-they-plan/348752002/

https://www.marchforourlives.com/

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/be...ents-reveal-plan-destroy-politicians-bed-nra/

https://youtu.be/ZxD3o-9H1lY
 
Dr.Sid said:
Also remember how well the alcohol ban worked out ?
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Drugs and alcohol are consumed by their purchasers, and in this way disposed of; but guns remain in existence after they are sold, and their purchasers may use them to commit further crimes.
 
Zivan said:
I do not know if this will gain momentum or not:

There are protests and walk-outs planned for 14 March, 24 March, and 20 April. Some are comparing it to the American Civil Rights Movement and say the protest marches and school walk-outs will continue until changes in gun laws are made.

I have no idea how this will play out and make a difference or not. I can not feel optimistic that things will change. But, as others have said, this one feels different.......

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...inaction-students-fed-up-they-plan/348752002/

https://www.marchforourlives.com/

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/be...ents-reveal-plan-destroy-politicians-bed-nra/

https://youtu.be/ZxD3o-9H1lY
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I saw some of the organizers of March for Our Lives on Fox News tonight. I've got a good feeling about them. What they say they're going to do is to brand politicians who take NRA money. Interesting approach. We'll see what they can do.

They were followed by Rush Limbaugh. The kids are naïve, and guns aren't the problem, and ......all the same stuff. I think this time is different. I don't know.
 
It does feel different this time, but I don't think Republicans can be shamed into passing legislation. Sociopaths aren't persuaded with shame. Maybe, however, this movement will effect the 2018 elections so that Republicans lose power and Democrats can get some legislations passed.
 
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