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CNN: Dreamers will leave the US if DACA falls through

uke2se said:
I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this.
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Really? THIS thread is about the CNN glurge about some people who are threatening to voluntarily leave the country.

And if we got that wrong, how can we take seriously your blanket claim that anyone who does not see everything exactly your way "are at least ok with racism."

"are at least ok with racism," boy that is a mouthful! Next time just call them racist.
 
Upchurch said:
By all accounts, Dreamers have been heavily vetted and have made a great effort to make right events that were beyond their control. By registering for the DACA program, they took a grave risk to try to legalize their presence in this country. Do we owe them that chance? Arguably, we do or else be guilty of history's biggest bait-and-switch since the Trojan Horse.
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We elected the party of the bait and switch, so why shouldn't the dreamers get in on the action? Real america loves that kind of thing.
 
ponderingturtle said:
We elected the party of the bait and switch, so why shouldn't the dreamers get in on the action? Real america loves that kind of thing.
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I don't know. It was pretty transparent bait. You'd have to be pretty naive to think Trump means even three-quarters of what he says. He's more of an obvious-lie-and-yep-he-lied.
 
Upchurch said:
I don't know. It was pretty transparent bait. You'd have to be pretty naive to think Trump means even three-quarters of what he says. He's more of an obvious-lie-and-yep-he-lied.
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Sure everyone knows he is constantly lying, but they all seem to think that THEY know which 10% of what he says he actually means. I have had people seriously argue that the wall was never about a physical wall because that is a dumb idea but it was a metaphor. Trump was always perfectly clear that it was a large concrete reinforced wall, but some how they know this was not what he meant.
 
uke2se said:
I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this.
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Of course, the only reason someone could be pleased to see the law get enforced is if they are racist.
 
Giz said:
Of course, the only reason someone could be pleased to see the law get enforced is if they are racist.
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For these kind of laws? Most likely.

People who speed and break all sorts of laws that then turn around and turn into inspector javert on immigration are accountable for that. None of us are Javerts. We cannot hide behind "it's the law" as any justification for an action.
 
BobTheCoward said:
For these kind of laws? Most likely.

People who speed and break all sorts of laws that then turn around and turn into inspector javert on immigration are accountable for that. None of us are Javerts. We cannot hide behind "it's the law" as any justification for an action.
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"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people."
-John Quincy Adams

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Oh wait, I guess he meant to say:

**"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, unless it seems mean"

Seriously, you are all failing civics 101.
 
Giz said:
"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people."
-John Quincy Adams

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Oh wait, I guess he meant to say:

**"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, unless it seems mean"

Seriously, you are all failing civics 101.
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Almost no one thinks every written law should be enforced to the fullest extent. How people choose which ones is important.
 
uke2se said:
I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this.
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Some of it's bigotry. Some of it's the intense glee they feel at anything that upsets liberals.
 
Civet said:
Some of it's bigotry. Some of it's the intense glee they feel at anything that upsets liberals.
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And this is why I've largely given up on having serious policy discussions around here. How are we supposed to exchange ideas with you in a respectful way, if this is what you believe about me?
 
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theprestige said:
And this is why I've largely given up on having serious policy discussions around here. How am I supposed to exchange ideas with you in a respectful way, if this is what you believe about me?
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What, you didn't expect the Spanish inquisition?

This is not where we debate the merits of hobbesian versus Rousseau philosophical viewpoints, nor the dangers of arbitrary power versus heartless inflexibility. You are simply evil, and should be flamed until you recant.
 
theprestige said:
And this is why I've largely given up on having serious policy discussions around here. How am I supposed to exchange ideas with you in a respectful way, if this is what you believe about me?
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So why are you so focused on getting rid of people who grew up here?

This was of course a real win for the law and reinforcing how his abusive parents didn't love him enough to make him a real american.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/us/adam-crapser-deportation-south-korea.html

Because if there is anything adopted children need to understand it is that they are less than real children.
 
theprestige said:
And this is why I've largely given up on having serious policy discussions around here. How are we supposed to exchange ideas with you in a respectful way, if this is what you believe about me?
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I would have put you firmly in the "enjoys upsetting liberals" camp. If I'm wrong about that tell me so and I'll accept that without hesitation.
 
fagin said:
Except these people came in as kids. Too young to actually break any laws.

The sins of the father...
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uke2se said:
I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?
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- I’m against abortion!

- - Even in cases of rape and incest?

- The life of the helpless child must be protected and cherished! Jesus weeps at this travesty!

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- Deport the Dreamers!

- - Y’know, many were brought here as infants, toddlers. Wouldn’t you agree they were helpless and, even though years have passed, we should cherish and protect them? Isn’t that the Christian thing to do?

- No exceptions! Arrest! Deport!
 
Regnad Kcin said:
- I’m against abortion!

- - Even in cases of rape and incest?

- The life of the helpless child must be protected and cherished! Jesus weeps at this travesty!

-vis-

- Deport the Dreamers!

- - Y’know, many were brought here as infants, toddlers. Wouldn’t you agree they were helpless and, even though years have passed, we should cherish and protect them? Isn’t that the Christian thing to do?

- No exceptions! Arrest! Deport!
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Ook, in a world of bad analogies, that is pretty bad, but in the context of the OP? Yikes...
 
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