Will you be watching Trump's first SOTU?

Will you be watching Trump's first SOTU?

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tyr_13 said:
I likewise don't think that rejecting a candidate for being a straight, white, male would be any more wise than rejecting one for being a person of color disabled vet.
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Just a note: I don't think folks are criticizing Kennedy for being a straight, white, male. I think he is criticized as being an entitled, aristocratic connected insider... just what the last election seemed to be a revolt against.



Out of 300 millions, it would be nice if our next president wasn't a Bush, Clinton, Kennedy (or Trump).
 
Giz said:
Just a note: I don't think folks are criticizing Kennedy for being a straight, white, male. I think he is criticized as being an entitled, aristocratic connected insider... just what the last election seemed to be a revolt against.



Out of 300 millions, it would be nice if our next president wasn't a Bush, Clinton, Kennedy (or Trump).
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That's a fair point, but remember who was elected. The fact that he was very much part of the elite, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and handed his business connections as birthright, didn't actually hurt Trump noticeably.

Of course that leaves out that left leaning voters tend to be more difficult to lie to and tend to become insulted with such obvious nonsense. What wasn't a problem from Trump might still be a problem for any given dem.
 
tyr_13 said:
That's a fair point, but remember who was elected. The fact that he was very much part of the elite, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and handed his business connections as birthright, didn't actually hurt Trump noticeably.
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Oh Trump is absolutely part of the 0.1%. However, he framed his campaign in populist terms. The Dems need to have a counter, whether based on policy or candidacy. What would Kennedy's counter be? (Not that he is necessarily incapable of countering it, it is just a - glaring - potential weakness).

(And this isn't going into the whole: the republic seems to be falling into the habit of creating aristocratic dynasties who are born to the purple)


tyr_13 said:
Of course that leaves out that left leaning voters tend to be more difficult to lie to
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Ha hem. Perhaps they find it easier to lie to themselves?
 
Giz said:
Oh Trump is absolutely part of the 0.1%. However, he framed his campaign in populist terms. The Dems need to have a counter, whether based on policy or candidacy. What would Kennedy's counter be? (Not that he is necessarily incapable of countering it, it is just a - glaring - potential weakness).

(And this isn't going into the whole: the republic seems to be falling into the habit of creating aristocratic dynasties who are born to the purple)
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*puts on marketing hat*

He could counter it by embracing it to a degree, and putting out the image of someone born to a family that has taken public service extremely seriously who used this pressure to learn the many needs and perspectives of all his fellow citizens especially the working class that he knew he would know the least about.



Ha hem. Perhaps they find it easier to lie to themselves?
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*keeps on marketing hat*

The information on left-leaning voters doesn't show that, and as a group they are more likely to value fact-checking and scientific information than the average. (Currently anyway, this didn't used to be the case and as far as I can tell it's more a case of right-leaning voters rejecting evidence-based information in the last 30ish, but especially the last 10, years than of the left embracing it more.) The nonsense the left is susceptible too is an over-skepticism of things that align with business claims, that overlaps heavily with the same strain of CT on the right in some marginalized groups.
 
Cleon said:
In these days of Dreamers, Black Lives Matter, and #MeToo, the best rebuttal to Donald Trump is a super rich white dude from a century-old political dynasty that has a looong history of producing philandering playboys?

Nah, it's totally the freckles. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, that was a dumb choice on their part. They should have picked an up and comer.
 
IMHO neither party convered itself in glory last night. Trump did surprise in that he was so damn boring,and Kennedy was was then stellar.
 
Upchurch said:
I wonder what the demographics were of those who actually watched it. I’m guessing it was not representative of all Americans.
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I think the number who changed channels was pretty big,since Trump was so boring.
He was trying to be presendential, but his heart was not in it.
 
dudalb said:
IMHO neither party convered itself in glory last night. Trump did surprise in that he was so damn boring,and Kennedy was was then stellar.
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It's the SOTU. Even in the best of times it's just a Constitutionally-mandated commercial for whatever administration is running the show.
 
Cleon said:
It's the SOTU. Even in the best of times it's just a Constitutionally-mandated commercial for whatever administration is running the show.
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I really wish we would elect a president who was willing to go back to the old ways: Send Congress a letter and let them read it into the record themselves.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
As noted by the Slate and posted elsewhere by myself.

Trump called on Congress to give him unprecedented and unquestionably antidemocratic powers: “Tonight,” he said, “I call on the congress to empower every Cabinet secretary with the authority to reward good workers—and to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people.”

But dwell on it for a moment, Under Trump’s proposal, any Cabinet secretary could decide that, say, a law enforcement official investigating the president had “undermined the public trust” or “failed the American people”—and fire him on the spot.

Same for the IRS, FBI Department of Justice, or any other federal agency..
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I was talking with My sister while both of us were watching this and she asked Me;"If there is a law passed that gives every Cabinet secretary the authority to remove federal employees who undermined public trust or failed the American people, what would that look like while one was being fired on the spot?'

"Well", she continued, 'seems to me Trump would like to play Judge Dredd and the Cabinet members to be his "Apprentices".

That's a fair point and one I can see as actually being a thing he would desire.
 
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Cleon said:
Wow... did you just call me alt-right?

Right (heh) after I brought up Dreamers, BLM, and #Metoo?

Wow (again).

Look, I realize that for you partisanship is more important than anything else, but that's not the case for all of us.

It was a mistake to clean out my ignore list, apparently. Have a nice day, SG.
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No, my partisanship is not more important than anything else. It is a mistake to buy into that narrative, you are amplifying a bad message.

If that's a discussion you want to close your eyes/ears to, that's unfortunate because it is a discussion that needs to be had.

They start a meme and what do the Democrats do, everything but actually counter it with an effective response.

Consider benching the defense and get the offense guys out there.
 
And having read it, it's what I expected. Fake bipartisanship and populism, lots of bragging, thinly-veiled swipes at those violent wetbacks and ungrateful darkies ("Dreamers are like MS-13! I alone lowered the black unemployment rate and they respond by disrespecting Our Troops!").

Same garbage he's been spewing for decades, except now he's actually respected by people he considers important (GOPers, lobbyists), whereas before (by the Manhatten elites) he was considered vulgar and crude.
 
I haven't found decent video of the entire speech, but from the clips I've seen, it looks like Trump delivered the whole speech while facing the Republican side of the room.

Not very inclusive.
 
Worm said:
I haven't found decent video of the entire speech, but from the clips I've seen, it looks like Trump delivered the whole speech while facing the Republican side of the room.

Not very inclusive.
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Well, that's to be expected. Like a moth to a flame, as they say. Except that if it was really a flame, that astroturf ferret on his head might combust. But Donnie always pivots to where the applause is, and last night it was all from that side of the room so he pivots that way. I'd bet that you could get him to walk off a pier if you just stationed people in a boat fifty yards away. "Wooo! Donald! Over here! We love you, man!",.... as the Donbot pivots, saying, "Applause, must follow..... " and walks straight into the East River.
 
Worm said:
I haven't found decent video of the entire speech, but from the clips I've seen, it looks like Trump delivered the whole speech while facing the Republican side of the room.

Not very inclusive.
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Always go to Ruptly for raw video of important events. It's (like the USA) run by Putin.

 
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