The Deep State and its real motives

[Skeptic Ginger]

Notice how few people are bringing up the NY FBI office that leaked stuff to Giuliani. Wasn't there actual evidence they were out to get Clinton?

 

[Mycroft]

Ah, I assumed that when you said "some might say" you either meant "I would say" or "rational people might say", rather than "some random, ignorant loony might say".

Have you been paying attention to US politics lately? Being ignorant and loony is not a disqualifier for office and quite a few have been voted in. They have power and influence, so it makes no sense to dismiss them.

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[Mycroft]

In reality you'd have competing 'deep states'.

The Illuminati and the Discordian Society.

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[varwoche]

Dude, you said:

Yes dudalb was talking about the deep state claims but your post is a much broader claim, especially the highlighted, which I addressed. If what you meant was directed only at the claim of "deep state", then your post was poorly-composed.

Dude, it's not incumbent on me to explain that my post pertains to the subject of the thread. Especially given that dudalb's post that I challenged was a direct reply to the OP. This is why I asked you to be more attentive.

Whatever. I'm glad to use any metric you prefer to demonstrate the falseness of the false equivalency, e.g. deaths caused by political extremists, except we risk going off topic.

 

[Travis]

Notice how few people are bringing up the NY FBI office that leaked stuff to Giuliani. Wasn't there actual evidence they were out to get Clinton?

Inconvenient to the current narrative and therefore FAKE NEWS!

 

[bruto]

Only if they are idiots.

...and ignorant.

And your point is?

Seriously, it seems a lot of people saw Bernie and Trump as interchangeable, because they considered both to be political outsiders with out-of-box ideas. And that is indeed idiotic and ignorant, given that Bernie, despite his rhetoric, is also a career politician with a pretty strong record of political savvy, and about as similar to Trump as chalk is to cheese.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Have you been paying attention to US politics lately? Being ignorant and loony is not a disqualifier for office and quite a few have been voted in. They have power and influence, so it makes no sense to dismiss them.

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We were talking about whether or not the left wing in mainstream American politics has now skewed as far to the left as the right wing has skewed to the right.

 

[The Don]

We were talking about whether or not the left wing in mainstream American politics has now skewed as far to the left as the right wing has skewed to the right.

I suppose one crucial aspect in that assessment is where one chooses to place the centre for this exercise. Should it be the centre of contemporary US politics, the centre of US politics at some point in the past, the centre of politics in the contemporary developed world.......and so on.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I suppose one crucial aspect in that assessment is where one chooses to place the centre for this exercise. Should it be the centre of contemporary US politics, the centre of US politics at some point in the past, the centre of politics in the contemporary developed world.......and so on.

Well, I'm placing it between literal Communists and literal Nazis. There are literal Nazis in mainstream US politics today. The most convincing case I've heard for literal Communists is that some ignorant idiots might say that Bernie Sanders was one.

 

[The Don]

Well, I'm placing it between literal Communists and literal Nazis. There are literal Nazis in mainstream US politics today. The most convincing case I've heard for literal Communists is that some ignorant idiots might say that Bernie Sanders was one.

On that continuum then IMO the centre for most, if not all, developed nations lies well to the right. In all nations there are loonies at the most extreme but IMO the loonies on the right are in a position to influence policy while those on the left are much less influential.

Even here in the UK where Jeremy Corbyn has yanked the Labour Party firmly to the left and where Momentum is the muscle, this is still 70's style socialism which is still one or two removes from actual communism.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Even here in the UK where Jeremy Corbyn has yanked the Labour Party firmly to the left and where Momentum is the muscle, this is still 70's style socialism which is still one or two removes from actual communism.

Indeed. Yet, actual Nazis in the White House.

 

[Belz...]

Dude, it's not incumbent on me to explain that my post pertains to the subject of the thread. Especially given that dudalb's post that I challenged was a direct reply to the OP. This is why I asked you to be more attentive.

Whatever. I'm glad to use any metric you prefer to demonstrate the falseness of the false equivalency, e.g. deaths caused by political extremists, except we risk going off topic.

Fair enough, but you have to admit that the wording was very, very general. Don't blame me for interpreting it as written.

 

[Mycroft]

We were talking about whether or not the left wing in mainstream American politics has now skewed as far to the left as the right wing has skewed to the right.

I am perfectly aware of what we are talking about. For whatever reason some people need to be reminded that not everyone shares their perspective.

 

[Belz...]

I am perfectly aware of what we are talking about. For whatever reason some people need to be reminded that not everyone shares their perspective.

What? How dare they? Why wasn't I notified of this?

 

[BobTheCoward]

What republicans call the deep state is an issue faced by any corporation that possesses valuable secrets. Managing that problem is supposed to be something a businessman is supposed to know.