The Trump Presidency (Act V - The One Where Everybody Dies)

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The Don said:
Only because he had no idea what a "clean bill" was.....
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He described it pretty clearly, being just about DACA. He did say he would sign a bill like that. Now sure he needed the staff there to explain to him what his own position was but still.
 
ponderingturtle said:
So where are all these foreign born white supremacists coming from?
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The 73% claim is limited to "international terrorism", so the report's authors aren't so much lying about that detail as they are deliberately limiting their analysis to the type of terrorism that supports their preferred flavor of fear-mongering. It would be like if I only looked at "international" gang activity and found that it involved a bunch of Mexicans and Salvadorans. The POTUS, on the other hand, just left out that whole "international" detail when gushing about the results making his tweet a lie.
 
Civet said:
The 73% claim is limited to "international terrorism", so the report's authors aren't so much lying about that detail as they are deliberately limiting their analysis to the type of terrorism that supports their preferred flavor of fear-mongering. It would be like if I only looked at "international" gang activity and found that it involved a bunch of Mexicans and Salvadorans. The POTUS, on the other hand, just left out that whole "international" detail when gushing about the results making his tweet a lie.
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Yes, international is the key detail. It is a lie by omission and purposeful misinformation.
 
Even more shocking, the NIH has data suggesting that an overwhelming percentage of people undergoing abortion procedures are women!
 
The fact that it's talking about "international" terrorism is certainly one aspect of the administration's claims that don't stand up to scrutiny. I'd say, though, that it's commonplace for governments to release data in ways that push their own agendas - from omitting key points, to keep commissioning reports until one says what they want it to say.

It seems to me, though, that it's worse to claim that the data is based on DHS analysis, when the DHS did not perform the analysis and does not collect or analyse the kind of data that is being claimed of them. From the article:

Career professional analysts at DHS communicated to the Justice Department that the data sought for the report simply did not exist within their department. DHS, multiple sources said, does not track or correlate international terrorism data by citizenship or country of origin, and have warned the Trump administration that doing so risks a misleading portrait of both terrorism and immigration.
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It's claimed to be a DHS analysis, done by DHS analysts, using DHS data, yet the DHS wasn't consulted at all. They had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Forget lies of omission, that's straight-up lying.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
He meant to say Torn. I will give him that. I think the thing is focusing on the lie not the slight misspeak. Everyone does that now and then.
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I read that and thought "Who is this 'Tom' character?"
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Armitage72 said:
I just realized... we're dealing with a twisted real life version of Chance the Gardener/Chauncey Gardiner, with arrogance replacing Chance's easy-going innocence. There's even the obsessive TV watching.
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I made that connection several months ago -- glad to see it's seconded.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The fact that it's talking about "international" terrorism is certainly one aspect of the administration's claims that don't stand up to scrutiny. I'd say, though, that it's commonplace for governments to release data in ways that push their own agendas - from omitting key points, to keep commissioning reports until one says what they want it to say.

It seems to me, though, that it's worse to claim that the data is based on DHS analysis, when the DHS did not perform the analysis and does not collect or analyse the kind of data that is being claimed of them. From the article:



It's claimed to be a DHS analysis, done by DHS analysts, using DHS data, yet the DHS wasn't consulted at all. They had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Forget lies of omission, that's straight-up lying.
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Well it just shows their incompetence. A proper scaremonger - Alex Jones, for example - would have claimed that the Deep State within DHS was refusing to track the national origins of international terrorists in order to promote their globalist agenda so Sessions had to have his own people do the analysis. Golden opportunity just squandered.
As an aside, I'm absolutely baffled that DHS doesn't analyze pretty much every possible trend involving terrorists. I don't favor using such data to promote xenophobia or anything but if a bunch of terrorists had anything in common I'd expect it to be examined.
 
Civet said:
As an aside, I'm absolutely baffled that DHS doesn't analyze pretty much every possible trend involving terrorists. I don't favor using such data to promote xenophobia or anything but if a bunch of terrorists had anything in common I'd expect it to be examined.
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I wouldn't dream of trying to claim any insight into why they don't - they're in possession of much more data than I am, and have tired and tested far more methodologies than my zero - but I can see a danger in finding correlations and assigning them meaning. Correlation does not imply causation, and with something as important as this it could be very dangerous to assume that it does.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
A female senator who was a combat veteran took Trump to task, calling him “Cadet Bonespurs” and pointing out his five deferments put him in a weak position to lecture her about the military.
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She's kinda wrong, though. It's not his deferments that make him a weak military lecturer. Just as it's not her veterancy that makes her a strong military lecturer.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
It's claimed to be a DHS analysis, done by DHS analysts, using DHS data, yet the DHS wasn't consulted at all. They had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Forget lies of omission, that's straight-up lying.
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But this is the way things are done in Washington. Bills are written up by "think tanks" and shopped around to congress people until they can find someone to sign on and sponsor it.

This is the same thing. It was written by an advocacy group and Trump just put a DHS endorsement on it.
 
theprestige said:
She's kinda wrong, though. It's not his deferments that make him a weak military lecturer. Just as it's not her veterancy that makes her a strong military lecturer.
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Do you understand that she's a former Lt. Colonel who lost both her legs in combat in Iraq? That is a helluva qualification to discuss military affairs.
 
There's this:
This recorded message was set up on the White House comment phone line, which accepts calls from members of the public.

Callers to the White House comment line at the weekend were informed that Democrats were to blame [for the government shutdown]. The recorded message says calls cannot be answered because Democrats are holding government funding "hostage".

"Unfortunately, we cannot answer your call today because Congressional Democrats are holding government funding - including funding for our troops and other national security priorities - hostage to an unrelated immigration debate," the recording says. "Due to this obstruction, the government is shut down."
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and this:
The 30-second ad opens with images of a recent courtroom outburst by Luis Bracamontes, a twice-deported undocumented immigrant accused of killing two California deputies in 2014. It then cuts between footage of President Donald Trump, people who are purported to be undocumented immigrants, and Democratic lawmakers. The ad implies that Democrats are to blame for any bad actors: “Now Democrats who stand in our way will be complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants,” the ad’s narrator says during the second half of the video.
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Madness.
 
The Bracamontes ad is essentially the professional version of the type of messaging I see from the fellows on the The_Donald subreddit daily. It's almost exactly like those are types of folks setting the direction for the Republican party these days.
 
I saw a comment on an article a day or two ago where someone opined that, even though Trump didn't use the word "*********" to describe African countries, it was a genius move for him to have done so because Liberals have now objected to that description of those countries, so they can now not have any objection to people being deported there. I've not seen such weird thinking since, well, since logger last posted.
 
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