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Is your atheism predominately a science success or a theism fail?

I Am The Scum said:
If you want to play the role of the pedant, then embrace it. However, you'll need to get your terminology right. Think carefully, and make your move.

Further reading: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/belief/
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were ya thinking about actually making a point, or just gonna dump a humongous link on the thread as if it had a point?

Well then, allow me to retort:

wtfl;dfr

It would seem then the ball is in your court.
 
The Big Dog said:
There is no requirement that love, hope, beauty, empathy, good taste, hell political beliefs have evidence or verification.

Say, I love my kids.... so let’s get out the test tubes and run that through the old verification process.

How ridiculous.
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For those reasons, I don't argue that I do have evidence for their existence. And I don't assume they do.
 
My atheism comes from a theism failure.

My incredulity forces me to reject any invisible sky deity that professes to love its creations and yet allows wars, famines, terrorism, murder etc to take place. A just God would not inflict suffering and pain on the creations it loves.

Besides, if this sky deity really exists, where is it? Point to it and show me what it looks like.
 
The Big Dog said:
were ya thinking about actually making a point, or just gonna dump a humongous link on the thread as if it had a point?

Well then, allow me to retort:

wtfl;dfr

It would seem then the ball is in your court.
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My point is that you were asked for an example of a type of belief. You responded by listing many things that are not beliefs at all. I pointed this out to you on the assumption that accuracy is something you value. This assumption appears to have been an error on my part.

By all means, carry on posting in ways that do not address the issue at hand. Those of us that care about the truth will continue without you.
 
I Am The Scum said:
My point is that you were asked for an example of a type of belief. You responded by listing many things that are not beliefs at all. I pointed this out to you on the assumption that accuracy is something you value. This assumption appears to have been an error on my part.

By all means, carry on posting in ways that do not address the issue at hand. Those of us that care about the truth will continue without you.
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No actually you did not rather you dumped a link on us with zero attempt to explain what it is we were supposed to be looking for.

But now we hear that political beliefs? Not a belief for some damn reason?

Beauty? Not a belief, but I dunno something that people don't want to characterize for some odd reason.

It is fine, the original claim was that beliefs were subject of evidence and verification, which has been nuked from orbit.

Now if you wish to discuss the truth of what I have explained, please do not be seduced by the belief that link dumping is doing so, those of us that care about the truth will continue without bare assertion fallacies and link dumping.

I assume that I have made myself sufficiently clear?
 
The Big Dog said:
I'm allegedly conflating things by not picking a version of a word that our correspondents would find ever so much more convenient, which (absolutely shockingly) makes me a liar.
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Yes, exactly, your deliberate dishonesty lies precisely in choosing to pick the obviously wrong meaning, the one obviously not implied in the posts you responded to. You have been informed of the "error" too many times to feign innocence.
 
The Big Dog said:
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But now we hear that political beliefs? Not a belief for some damn reason?

Beauty? Not a belief, but I dunno something that people don't want to characterize for some odd reason.

It is fine, the original claim was that beliefs were subject of evidence and verification, which has been nuked from orbit.

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I assume that I have made myself sufficiently clear?
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Yes, you are again deliberately conflating different meanings of the word "belief".

Stop the dishonesty. Looks bad on you.
 
It isn't a science success with me, since I am not very scientifically experienced (dropped all sciences at school at age 16). Not sure it is really a god failure either though. I like to think it is a logic thing (I always liked Mr Spock :D ). There seems to be no good logical argument for god or gods that can't be destroyed by a better logical argument for the non-existence of god or gods.
 
ynot said:
Thanks for that!

ETA - A friendly reminder . . .

This thread is addressed to atheists and asks them whether their atheism is predominately preserved by either science or the failure of theism to convert them into theists.
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A friendly reminder. . .

The creator of a new thread does not get to declare who is welcome to comment in threads.

Thanks a bunch for making note of it.
 
Oystein said:
Yes, exactly, your deliberate dishonesty lies precisely in choosing to pick the obviously wrong meaning, the one obviously not implied in the posts you responded to. You have been informed of the "error" too many times to feign innocence.
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Oh dear....

By the way, anyone else note that our correspondents are not actually weighing in on the topic at hand: that beliefs require evidence and verification
 
Peregrinus said:
Why is it, then, that the world is overflowing in beliefs which have neither evidence nor verification?
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Because the majority of people are not high level thinkers but are great followers!!! This is, of course, not a Good Thing!!!!!:jaw-dropp
 
The Big Dog said:
were ya thinking about actually making a point, or just gonna dump a humongous link on the thread as if it had a point?

Well then, allow me to retort:

wtfl;dfr

It would seem then the ball is in your court.
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I assume the adjusted by me above is a new (to me anyway) version of tl;dr .
 
Peregrinus said:
Why is it, then, that the world is overflowing in beliefs which have neither evidence nor verification?
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Exactly, because beliefs are both personal and subjective, and do not need "verification" to be strongly and deeply held.

Very nice
 
I Am The Scum said:
I stated my position very clearly in post #89. You distorted it. Please don't do that.
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wait a minute, you delieberately deleted part of a sentence to make some kind of position statement. That is amazing.

Here was the whole sentence "There is no requirement that love, hope, beauty, empathy, good taste, hell political beliefs have evidence or verification."

You deleted part of it, THEN you slapped down a link to a tome without ever trying to explain what it meant, and now you are complaining that I have misrepresented your point which was based on you having deliberately deleted part of my sentence? Wow.

Seems like someone is getting hoisted by one's own petard.....
 
The Big Dog said:
Exactly, because beliefs are both personal and subjective, and do not need "verification" to be strongly and deeply held.
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But when you foist your faith and beliefs on others, or try to persuade others that there is a god, then you had better have evidence to back up your position if you don't want to be laughed off the stage.

I wonder why you and Fudbucker are even posting in this thread at all. The subject of the thread is

"Is your atheism predominately a science success or a theism fail?"

You are both obviously rampant god-botherers, so the question ynot has posed isn't even directed at you, and is one you cannot possibly answer.
 
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