Obama ruins the internet

Imagine if all those roads were privately owned, with transit agreements allowing toll-paying consumers to go wherever they wanted.

If they don't have a monopoly then the 'new company' should be able to get the 'lanes' they want from another supplier. If they do have a monopoly, and they use it to prevent the 'new company' from being able to compete, then they may be violating the Sherman Act.

But forcing a company to provide its in-house products or services to anyone who demanded them would stifle competition. It's kind of the antithesis to 'free market' principles.

But we already pay tolls, don't we? You pretend as if there is a lot of competition for broadband. It's been close to a monopoly for 15 years with cable and telcos dominating. The choices for broadband access is very limited. Also, the Sherman antitrust is selectively enforced.

You also act as if this isn't an extremely profitable business anyway.

If I thought eliminating Net Neutrality was good for consumers providing a more competitive market and that it would spark innovation I would say get rid of it. But I'm convinced that it will have the opposite effect. What this really is is a big sloppy kiss to donors.

By the way. My biggest customers are ISPs. I've been selling data communications equipment for 30 years. I simply don't buy that this isn't about just creating a monstrous revenue stream for them.
 
Oh, I know it's not active in most consumer products as of right now. My concern on HDCP is can a piece of media be denied a license by all licensing authorities. It's another type of censorship entirely apart from strangling network bandwidth.

This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be

Actually HDCP is present on pretty much every monitor, TV, video card (integrated or discrete), bluray player, media player, cable box, and at least some gaming consoles sold since about 2005. Its there to prevent plugging in an hdmi* cable and making a perfect HD copy that can be duplicated without restriction, IF that video is set to use HDCP. It is silly anticonsumer crap that added expense to equipment and obsoleted perfectly good equipment and made it impossible to copy media you own (w/o violating the DMCA) that pirates will always be able to circumvent anyways. But, there is no plausible way for your ISP to use it for censorship purposes.

* not just HDMI actually

ETA: its a "soapbox" issues for me, I'll get off my hi horse now
 
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Something that might interest those here would be the "Barack Obama" comment on net neutrality.

The unprecedented regulatory power the Obama Administration imposed on the internet is smothering innovation, damaging the American economy and obstructing job creation. I urge the Federal Communications Commission to end the bureaucratic regulatory overreach of the internet known as Title II and restore the bipartisan light-touch regulatory consensus that enabled the internet to flourish for more than 20 years. The plan currently under consideration at the FCC to repeal Obama's Title II power grab is a positive step forward and will help to promote a truly free and open internet for everyone.

Those here might also be interested to know that Barack Obama was still living in the White House in May of this year, according to the comment.

On a slightly more personal note, my cousin apparently found a similar comment made in his name, as one of the potentially 2 million faked comments in support of the repeal of net neutrality.
 
Well, it doesn’t really matter. Ajit Pai could not have cared less about public opinion or response. We aren’t who he works for.


However, he is currently accepting online responses from the public. Priority submission of those responses is available for only $49.95.
 
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Well, it doesn’t really matter. Ajit Pai could not have cared less about public opinion or response. We aren’t who he works for.


It's pretty clear he at least cares about the appearance of public opinion, since he went to all that trouble to fake a couple million positive responses, and squelched as many negative ones as he could.
 
But he's not all bad. After all, he did put together this delightfully funny...



Oh... Gawd.
BURN IT WITH FIRE

Never have I felt such an irresistible urge to punch someone in the face. Not even Trump has had that effect on me. At least Trump doesn't pretend to be anything other than an *******. This idiot, on the other hand, is literally insulting all of us by acting as if we were stupid enough to think that "he's just like us, duuude, he likes memes and star wars lololol"
 
I thought Baauer had struck down that video for copyright violations?

Incidently, it speaks volumes that one of the people in the video is a hard-right conspiracy nutter, with ties to the Pizzagate community.
 
By the way. My biggest customers are ISPs. I've been selling data communications equipment for 30 years. I simply don't buy that this isn't about just creating a monstrous revenue stream for them.

Yep, it's a licence to gouge, for the major carriers. I work at an ISP in Canada, and there's just no doubt that it would increase costs to consumers and crush small business. We've dodged this bullet for now, but Americans are going to be totally screwed.

A few years ago, my employer was in a dispute with a supplier, so they blocked customers from being able to see the supplier's website. 10 million households could not access the supplier's website. It was struck down in court, but if it hadn't, it would be common practice today, the temptation is just too great. Look forward to Verizon et al blocking union websites during a contract dispute, for example.

As for capital investment slowing down in recent years - yes, obviously, and the carriers were boasting about it. The capital outlays were pushed ahead during the early years of the Recession, 2009-2015ish, because equipment and real estate prices were so cheap. They borrowed to move the schedules ahead to take advantage of this. Now it's time to pay for the deployments, this is a consolidation phase, the goal is to boost revenue to get good ROI on those builds.
 
Yep, it's a licence to gouge, for the major carriers. I work at an ISP in Canada, and there's just no doubt that it would increase costs to consumers and crush small business. We've dodged this bullet for now, but Americans are going to be totally screwed.

A few years ago, my employer was in a dispute with a supplier, so they blocked customers from being able to see the supplier's website. 10 million households could not access the supplier's website. It was struck down in court, but if it hadn't, it would be common practice today, the temptation is just too great. Look forward to Verizon et al blocking union websites during a contract dispute, for example.
As for capital investment slowing down in recent years - yes, obviously, and the carriers were boasting about it. The capital outlays were pushed ahead during the early years of the Recession, 2009-2015ish, because equipment and real estate prices were so cheap. They borrowed to move the schedules ahead to take advantage of this. Now it's time to pay for the deployments, this is a consolidation phase, the goal is to boost revenue to get good ROI on those builds.
It's worth noting that the highlighted bit has already happened once (althought it may have been Comcast). They were literally intercepting emails that were critical of them, and deleting the content, making it appear to the intended reciever that it had never existed, while simultanously making it appear to the sender that it had arrived without issue.
 
Yep, it's a licence to gouge, for the major carriers. I work at an ISP in Canada, and there's just no doubt that it would increase costs to consumers and crush small business. We've dodged this bullet for now, but Americans are going to be totally screwed.

A few years ago, my employer was in a dispute with a supplier, so they blocked customers from being able to see the supplier's website. 10 million households could not access the supplier's website. It was struck down in court, but if it hadn't, it would be common practice today, the temptation is just too great. Look forward to Verizon et al blocking union websites during a contract dispute, for example.

As for capital investment slowing down in recent years - yes, obviously, and the carriers were boasting about it. The capital outlays were pushed ahead during the early years of the Recession, 2009-2015ish, because equipment and real estate prices were so cheap. They borrowed to move the schedules ahead to take advantage of this. Now it's time to pay for the deployments, this is a consolidation phase, the goal is to boost revenue to get good ROI on those builds.

I've been in those meetings pitching how the software is so sophisticated on the switches and routers that they can prioritize packets by IP addresses or applications.

Bandwidth has always been an issue, but technology has always been one step ahead. I remember very well when streets all over Seattle were dug up to lay more and more fiber. Then CIENA came out with the technology that overnight that muxed traffic through different light frequencies and bang, there became a glut of dark fiber.
 
It's worth noting that the highlighted bit has already happened once (althought it may have been Comcast). They were literally intercepting emails that were critical of them, and deleting the content, making it appear to the intended reciever that it had never existed, while simultanously making it appear to the sender that it had arrived without issue.

I was being coy when I said "a supplier" - the supplier in question was the union. (TWU at the time). As part of the contract negotiation, the company blocked the union website to all nodes on the network. That way, customers would not be able to read the union's version of events.

I should also remind forum members that I'm Canadian, so work for a Canadian carrier. The point being, though, that this was done in a country and at a time where/when it was flat out illegal - the temptation is that strong. They were willing to ask for forgiveness when they didn't have permission.

In the USA now, however, the carriers have permission. It's bad news for anybody who crosses them - supplier, customer, &c.

Here's another example... I was my employer's social media prime for a few years, back in the early days. Executives who did not understand the legalities of net neutrality figured the best way to deal with a social media complaint ("I'm going to complain about you on my blog! I have eighteen followers!") was to block the post - or even the domain if they have their own - from all customers. Somebody complains about their cellphone service on International Skeptics Forum? Bam! Block it from other customers. Write a letter to the editor of the Globe and Mail? And it got printed? Bam! Block the URL. We don't need to offer them compensation, we can just pull the plug on their threat to go public. See: problem solved.

(I'd like to say that I talked them out of it, but I was just an idealist nerd to them - it was the lawyers who helped them see the light.)

Seeing the results in the USA, the Canadian Carriers just dusted off their plans, I'm sure. This would include a multi step process:

1. identify the top traffic types

2. figure out how to further monetize them

3. build a plan to accomplish #2 without triggering backlash (start with something that affects a small number of users and is hard to defend - I'm thinking piratebay, P2P networks, 3rd party VPNs, darknet, and customers' gameservers will be the first to feel the pain, then NetFlix, network streaming, google play, apple itunes, &c, once people get used to the concept)

One of the rule in business is: "The customer pays for everything." So... what I mean by this is... when the carrier bills NetFlix for priority routing, NetFlix is not going to just absorb that as a lower profit. They will pass the charge on to their customers in turn. The carriers' new profits are coming from the customers.
 
I've been in those meetings pitching how the software is so sophisticated on the switches and routers that they can prioritize packets by IP addresses or applications.

Yep, me too. Port-based blocking is also popular. This is why I think P2P and darknet will be first on the chopping block. High traffic. Dedicated port range. Hard for those who lose the functionality to defend.



Bandwidth has always been an issue, but technology has always been one step ahead. I remember very well when streets all over Seattle were dug up to lay more and more fiber. Then CIENA came out with the technology that overnight that muxed traffic through different light frequencies and bang, there became a glut of dark fiber.

The next generation is FTTC. We have a glut of fiber, but it's only a glut because dwellings are still in copper neighbourhoods. The major carriers in Canada are all undertaking a final rush to get fibre to the dwellings themselves, which will be able to make good use of those fibre backbones that were so difficult to bury back in the day.
 
Port-based blocking is also popular. This is why I think P2P and darknet will be first on the chopping block. High traffic. Dedicated port range. Hard for those who lose the functionality to defend.

I think you are right about this, it may even happen before the mid-term elections given how few in the public understand the broader implications of the action.
 
Just because ISP's want the power to censor the internet doesn't mean they will use that power......
 

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