Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

[HSienzant]

Well how do you explain all this then Sherlock, from Detective Beasley, apart from trying to discredit him as usual?

(quoting): "It is interesting to note that Mazerolle claims he was in jail the night of the MacDonald murders. He claims he can prove this from Superior Court records in Cumberland County. I have been told there is a slip of paper in the court records that shows Mazerolle was in jail the night of 2/16-17/70. These records are available to the public.

[page 7]

I know Mazerolle was not in jail 2/16-17/70 because I arrested him in January 1970 and {I} recall that the trial was set for Mazerolle the day of 2/17/70. If Mazerolle had been in Jail that date (2/16-17/70) he would have been available for trial on 2/17/70, and I would have appeared in court as a witness. John De Carter of the Sheriff's office was with me in the arrest of Rizzo and Mazerolle and he would have also had to appear in court 2/17/70. I specifically recall that I did not appear in court on any case at the Cumberland County Court House on 2/17/70. I was on the street all day looking for suspects on the MacDonald murders."

So all this is based on nothing more than a recollection AND the suppositions that the trial would have been held as scheduled AND that Detective Beasley would have been called the first day? I can think of a dozen different reasons the trial might have been moved, or Beasley not called at first, and at least one reason why Beasley is simply recalling the court date incorrectly: He's human.

So other than Beasley's recollection and suppositions, what evidence of that trial date do you have?

Can you produce the documentation that the trial was scheduled as Beasley recalls?

Hank

 

[BStrong]

There are people who support Ted Gunderson since his death. You can't just disregard what they say out of hand.

snipped jive and link to nutsville

I don't care how many anon goofs believe what Gunderson has to say on any subject.

Gunderson had a fatal flaw when it comes to discussions of fact.

He was a proven liar and confabulator.

 

[JTF]

Trapped In The Past

The landlord's penchant for focusing on pre-1971 data again rears its ugly head. The landlord studiously ignores the following FACTS.

- In 1974, Beasley was forced to retire after standing in the middle of a busy intersection, waving his arms, and screaming at passing motorists. Beasley was diagnosed with an inorganic brain disorder and it was likely that the symptoms began several years prior to this formal diagnosis.

- In 1984, Beasley admitted at cross (e.g., evidentiary hearing) that the correctional records were at odds with his memory of the Mazzerolle incident.

- In 1991, Beasley admitted to investigative journalist Pat Reese that he no longer believed that Stoeckley was involved in this crime and that Mazzerolle was in jail on 2/17/70. That same year, Beasley sent a note to Freddy Kassab and offered his support.

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/0-ltr-beasley2kassab-1991.html

After the Reese article was printed, Fred Bost visited Beasley and threatened to sue him if he did not recant his statements to Reese. That threat was a hollow one for Bost did not pursue litigation. Bost does not mention this incident in his fictional book on the MacDonald Case.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[Henri McPhee]

Beasley was a good and experienced detective, unlike those idiots in the Army CID.

This is the sort of thing that reminds me of Judge Fox in the MacDonald case on You Tube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VgwxKW0J6I

 

[JTF]

Adult Pouting

The landlord's retort to Beasley's post-1970 decline is further proof of his lack of critical thinking skills. Pouting about Beasley's forced retirement due to his mental illness and ignoring Beasley's change of heart is beyond lame.

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/0-ltr-beasley2kassab-1991.html

In terms of the "idiots in the Army CID," who exactly are you referring to? CID Hall of Famer William Ivory? CID Hall of Famer Robert Brisentine? CID Hall of Famer Jack Pruett? Experienced investigators Franz Grebner, Peter Kearns, and Robert Shaw? Hate to break it to ya, but these idiots helped to put your boy in a cell for the past 35 years.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[desmirelle]

Posts 3383 & 3384 show the difference between mac supporters and those who have faced reality: supporters refuse to countenance anything that detracts from 'factual innocence' - to the degree of believing that law-breakers, law-makers, law-yers, in-laws, judges at multiple levels, the Army, the Federal government, and 12 random people from North Carolina all decided to convict their "hero" for some obscure reason (omitting all evidence against macdonald), while those who face reality don't want the fact that macdonald slaughtered his family to be true have come to terms that what we want isn't always the case and mac did do it.

It's sad, really, because Colette, the unborn son, Kim and Kris died because of mac's losing control and then deciding to cover that up (to save face? to avoid having people know he was a flawed human being like the rest of us?) rather than admit he lost control. It's his pride that has kept him in prison all these years as much as the facts.

 

[Henri McPhee]

The landlord's retort to Beasley's post-1970 decline is further proof of his lack of critical thinking skills. Pouting about Beasley's forced retirement due to his mental illness and ignoring Beasley's change of heart is beyond lame.

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/0-ltr-beasley2kassab-1991.html

In terms of the "idiots in the Army CID," who exactly are you referring to? CID Hall of Famer William Ivory? CID Hall of Famer Robert Brisentine? CID Hall of Famer Jack Pruett? Experienced investigators Franz Grebner, Peter Kearns, and Robert Shaw? Hate to break it to ya, but these idiots helped to put your boy in a cell for the past 35 years.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

Beasley suffered from senile dementia, and a possible drink problem, in his later years, and when he was interviewed by that 'person of interest' former drug addict local journalist Pat Reese in about 1991.Beasley's daughter has posted on an internet forum that what her father said about the MacDonald case was true, at least up to the trial in 1979, and in my opinion beyond then. Detective Beasley won two awards for being the best detective in North Carolina early on in his detective career.

As I have said before the so-called detectives in the Army CID should be in the Hall of Infamy not the Hall of Fame. What one policeman says is probably true what two policemen say may be true but what three policemen say is never true.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/were-suspects-jeffrey-macdonald-says-174632913.html

Later that morning, Fayetteville police detective Prince Beasley heard a description of the intruders and recognized one of them — the female — as Helena Stoeckley, who had a history with drugs and was one of his narcotics informants. Beasley had his dispatch call CID, the Army’s investigative division, to let them know he had one of the suspects.
But no one ever responded, he said.

 

[BStrong]

blah blah snipped

What one policeman says is probably true what two policemen say may be true but what three policemen say is never true.

who cares snipped

Does that mean you have three separate personalities and the delusion is that they're LEO's?

 

[JTF]

Best Of The Best

The landlord's circular logic is akin to a cat chasing its own tail, but unlike a cat's tail, the hippie home invaders in this case are not real. It takes a certain type of mentality to present a cognitive basket full of omissions, fabrications, and grade school insults.

In Beasley's case, he was NOT suffering from an organic brain disorder in his "later years." He was suffering from an inorganic brain disorder in the early 1970's. This little shell game does not enhance the credibility of Beasley's claims in 1970, nor does it magically wipe away the FACT that Beasley was diagnosed with this brain disorder FIVE YEARS prior to the trial.

The fact that Beasley's daughter believes that her father believed in his original (e.g., Stoeckley/Mazzerolle involvement) debunked narrative is utterly irrelevant. It also appears that his daughter took the Fred Bost route and conveniently left out the FACT that in the last 4 years of his life, Beasley no longer believed that the Stoeckley Seven were involved in this mass murder.

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/0-ltr-beasley2kassab-1991.html

The landlord also has no concept of what makes up an organizations Hall of Fame. In essence, a Hall of Fame consists of the best of the best. Several investigators who worked on this case are in the CID's Hall of Fame and several others had distinguished careers in the Army CID. Their collective efforts led to not one, but two massive investigations. Both investigations came to the SAME conclusion. Janice Glisson told me that not one of the CID investigators had doubts about inmate's guilt. Not one.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/conversations_glisson.html

Heck, even law enforcement officers that were not assigned to either investigation (e.g., Ken Mica) believed in MacDonald's guilt. Those who believe in an Army conspiracy cannot explain why the officer who came forth with the "Woman On The Corner Wearing A Floppy Hat" story believes that inmate is guilty as sin? My favorite Mica quote involves his observation of the living room at 544 Castle Drive. Mica stated, "I've done more damage to my own living room playing with my dog."

In the end, the CID provided the seminal moment of this case. Their 10,000 page report led to inmate facing the music before a Grand Jury and resulted in a slam dunk indictment.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/reinvestigation.html

Four years later, inmate was convicted in less than 7 hours and has spent 36 of the past 38 years in prison. Those idiots in the Army CID paved the way for the Ice Pick Baby Killer's 36 year stint in the Big House.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[BStrong]

[Henrivoice] But he's so handsome![/Henrivoice]

 

[desmirelle]

[Henrivoice] But he's so handsome![/Henrivoice]

That is so no longer true, although I'm sure Henri will dispute that.

 

[Henri McPhee]

It's sad, really, because Colette, the unborn son, Kim and Kris died because of mac's losing control and then deciding to cover that up (to save face? to avoid having people know he was a flawed human being like the rest of us?) rather than admit he lost control. It's his pride that has kept him in prison all these years as much as the facts.

You are in cloud cuckoo land. Where is the supporting evidence and facts?

This is how Ken Adachi replied to JTF several years ago and I agree with this.
It was poor police work:

Hello Brian, (JTF)

Wow, well you might succeed in swaying unknowledgeable people with such bluster and strident bravado, but bluster doesn't turn lies into truth, no matter how many specious paragraphs you might write.

You do NOT know the facts my friend and you obviously don't want to know the facts. You are much more committed to assigning guilt to MacDonald than any casual reader and you'll reach into any grab bag of prevarication that will suit your need to slander MacDonald.

You are on a mission, pal.

Every paragraph you write here is either patently false or perversely twisted from the reality of what actually took place in the circumstances you cite. You are a remarkable conjurer. I did read the court transcripts Brian, and much more closely than you because your statements are nothing more than tripe and full of errors.

Potter and Bost's book is a testament to honest research and true detective work that took TEN YEARS TO COMPLETE while the McGinniss book is a novel from cover to cover and that's why ole Joe had to fork over $325K after the 1986 trial when McDonald's sued him for fraud. MacDonald's team established clear and undeniable fraud, similar to the fraudulent allegations you make here.
You are full of beans Brian.

You picked the wrong guy to try to bowl over with bluster.
"Not a single shred ..." " Enough to get me started." Who do you think you're fooling?

You quote Esquire magazine as if it's a reliable source of information! Give me a break. What a total gas bag you are.

I'll save your little propaganda effort here and post it (and take it apart) when I have the time to attend to such an insipid mockery of the facts.

Sincerely, Ken Adachi

 

[desmirelle]

You are in cloud cuckoo land. Where is the supporting evidence and facts?

snip of irrelevance:

The supporting evidence and facts are part and parcel of the trial transcripts. You should actually try reading them once you pass reading comprehension, it will be a complete eye-opener for you.

 

[HSienzant]

Where is the supporting evidence and facts?

One would do well to ask you this.

This is how Ken Adachi replied to JTF several years ago and I agree with this...

Hello Brian, (JTF)

I'll save your little propaganda effort here and post it (and take it apart) when I have the time to attend to such an insipid mockery of the facts.

Sincerely, Ken Adachi

I deleted all the name-calling, bluster, and assertions without evidence and merely ask, did Ken Adachi ever get around to 'taking apart' the supposed 'propaganda effort' as he claimed he would do?

If so, why didn't you post that? If not, why do you post the meaningless post where he promised to do so?

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Beasley was a good and experienced detective, unlike those idiots in the Army CID.

Let's skip the name-calling and cut to the chase. Even as a 'good and experienced detective' (which is an unsupported assertion of yours), he was still nonetheless human, right?

He was still as subject as any one of us to failures of recollection, right?

You avoided my points entirely. Try to respond to the points I make instead of just repeating your own.

Here's my points once more:

So all this is based on nothing more than a recollection AND the suppositions that the trial would have been held as scheduled AND that Detective Beasley would have been called the first day? I can think of a dozen different reasons the trial might have been moved, or Beasley not called at first, and at least one reason why Beasley is simply recalling the court date incorrectly: He's human.

So other than Beasley's recollection and suppositions, what evidence of that trial date do you have?

Can you produce the documentation that the trial was scheduled as Beasley recalls?

Please produce the evidence that Beasley's recollections and suppositions are correct. Otherwise they are just that: recollections and suppositions, not supported by the evidence, and something we should give little credence to.

This is the sort of thing that reminds me of Judge Fox in the MacDonald case on You Tube:

Nobody cares what it reminds you of. 'What does the evidence indicate?' is the coin of the realm here. Your thoughts and feelings don't matter in the least.

Hank

 

[Henri McPhee]

Please produce the evidence that Beasley's recollections and suppositions are correct. Otherwise they are just that: recollections and suppositions, not supported by the evidence, and something we should give little credence to.
Hank

Beasley's daughter once posted on the internet that her father knew what happened in the MacDonald case but he was not believed. The problem with all this is that the documentation has vanished, I believe by Murtagh and Blackburn. Mazerolle was due to appear in court at the time of the MacDonald murders but he never did appear. That should raise alarm bells even with amateur lawyers.

By the way, most people in America think JFK was bumped off by the CIA.

This is some hard evidence that Detective Beasley was due to testify in court at the time of the MacDonald murders but he never did, and you can't say that he did :

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_macdonald/court/1970/1970-02-10_subpoena_beasley.html

 

[Henri McPhee]

Mazerolle was actually sentenced about a year after the murders which is very odd. That was 1971, not 1970 when the murders took place :

(e) A "judgment and commitment" form regarding Allen Patrick Mazerolle indicating that on January 14, 1971, he was found guilty of possession of LSD and was sentenced to three to five years to the care and custody of the Department of Correction. Brinson made available a "true" certified copy of the above document which was actually prepared by (First Name Unknown) S. Smith on October 14, 1981. (attached #8)

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_macdonald/affidavits/1984-07-12_EDNC_fbi_aff02_madden.html

 

[desmirelle]

JTF: When did you become Brian?

 

[BStrong]

Mazerolle was actually sentenced about a year after the murders which is very odd.
snipped

It's not at all unusual.

 

[JTF]

Classic Henri

DESMIRELLE: Henri is truly a man on an island. The landlord is engaging in his usual assumptions, conspiracy narratives, and true crime fantasies. I'm not the BRIAN who took apart Adachi piece by piece, but I do know the author of that factual butt kicking. Notice how Adachi didn't formulate a single factual rebuttal to BRIAN'S fact-based narrative? I asked BRIAN what the odds where that Adachi would follow-through with his promise to respond to the evidentiary arguments? BRIAN responded, "Slim to none."

I've relied on the same record to deliver my own factual punches to the gut to the following individuals.

- Fred Bost via letters/phone conversations in 1999.

- Kathryn MacDonald via e-mail in 2007.

- Harvey Silverglate via several e-mails from 2006-2009.

- Errol Morris via 90 minute phone conversation in 2011.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com