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Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

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byn63 said:
henri don't be ignorant - the phone operator LOGGED THE INITIAL CALL AT 3:33am AND THEN THE CALLER DROPPED THE PHONE BUT DID NOT DISCONNECT AND CAME BACK TO THE PHONE AT 3:35am. That is 2 minutes. Read the testimony of the TRIAL.
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This website includes the trial testimony of Jeff MacDonald about the phone call, which is somehow being stopped from being copied. There is no mention at all about two minutes:

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_macdonald/trial3/1979-08-23_trial_macdonald.html
 
Same Thought Process

You could replace Gunderson with Henri in the following commentary (e.g., 2012 article entitled TED GUNDERSON: DEATH OF A PUBLIC PARANOID) and not miss a beat.

"In the world of Ted Gunderson, every seemingly arbitrary idiosyncrasy, every obscure sign constructed from the random held signification aimed inexorably toward one unifying narrative."

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
I'm not hung up on the two minutes. As I said, you don't even need to get to that level of detail to show that inmate is guilty by his own words.

The timeline, in its entirety, shows just how basically impossible it would be for "intruders" to:
1) manage to arrive at almost exactly the moment MacD "fell asleep", already well after 2AM (anything else is far too late)
2) to (barely) "knock out" inmate, giving him one non-life-threatening injury, then proceed to absolutely butcher an innocent woman and two very little girls
3) don a pair of gloves (such meticulous drug-crazed "intruders"!)
4) write "PIG" -- WHY WHY WHY?? -- on the headboard
5) wipe off all-but-one of the weapons -- WHY WHY WHY??
6) drop the cleaned-off weapons in the backyard -- WHY WHY WHY??
Re #5 & #6:
If the "intruders" are in a rush to leave -- and presumably they are, as MacD is about to "wake up"(!) -- why not just take the weapons, which would be much faster? And if you're going to leave them, why bother wiping them off, which will take a lot more time?

Seriously, good grief, how can anyone still believe this ridiculous narrative? But it's the ONLY way inmate's story could be true.
 
ScottPletcher said:
I'm not hung up on the two minutes. As I said, you don't even need to get to that level of detail to show that inmate is guilty by his own words.

<snip of the ridiculous narrative>

Seriously, good grief, how can anyone still believe this ridiculous narrative? But it's the ONLY way inmate's story could be true.
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But Scott, you forgot the best part: this supposedly drug-hungry mob (since there had to be at least six of them if there are four in the living room and two with Colette - mac has always said Colette screamed about 'they') did not steal anything from the house, bypassing the hoard of drugs & medical syringes mac had stolen and lied about destroying.
 
JTF said:
You could replace Gunderson with Henri in the following commentary (e.g., 2012 article entitled TED GUNDERSON: DEATH OF A PUBLIC PARANOID) and not miss a beat.

"In the world of Ted Gunderson, every seemingly arbitrary idiosyncrasy, every obscure sign constructed from the random held signification aimed inexorably toward one unifying narrative."

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
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And the California AG's office sent out an advisory to all California LEA's that Gunderson as a private investigator was without credibility and they would not act on or support prosecutions utilizing information or materials provided by him.

In all my years I'm aware of only one other individual that made it to that level of unreliability - Scott Tracy Barnes.
 
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Classic Gunderson

BStrong: Another gem from the Gunderson article.

"Ted commented on numerous high-profile cases, often--if not always--taking a minority or deeply implausible view, always benefitting form his professional past, never disadvantaged by the sheer number of unlikely or outright impossible conspiracies he subscribed to, never left any the poorer for any instances in which he was grievously and demonstrably entirely wrong."

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
ScottPletcher said:
I'm not hung up on the two minutes. As I said, you don't even need to get to that level of detail to show that inmate is guilty by his own words.

If the "intruders" are in a rush to leave -- and presumably they are, as MacD is about to "wake up"(!) -- why not just take the weapons, which would be much faster? And if you're going to leave them, why bother wiping them off, which will take a lot more time?

Seriously, good grief, how can anyone still believe this ridiculous narrative? But it's the ONLY way inmate's story could be true.
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<snip> some clever criminals want to blame others for their crimes in order to avoid arrest? It's not MacDonald's fault if the murderers left their weapons behind, or wiped them clean. Mazerolle was a hard cookie, and the others were burly. They were unconcerned about MacDonald waking up. I can't understand why you people can't believe that what MacDonald said happened did happen.

This is from an internet forum in 2005, and it makes sense to me:

BTW, I have not written to MacDonald yet but will soon. Just in the past few days I finally located his old prison cellmate from the '80s, Kenny, who now lives here in Las Vegas. Kenny was even more insistent on his belief in MacDonald's innocence than when I spoke to him twice a year or more ago, and said other inmates held the same view regarding MacDonald based on how he acted and what he said regarding his case.
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If Gunderson says two and two are four that is not an excuse to discredit him.

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Rule 0/12
 
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talk about THICK-HEADED! Henri is the most ridiculously thick-headed poster since he obviously cannot get it through his thick-head that Allen Mazerolle WAS IN JAIL BEYOND ALL DOUBT ON THE NIGHT OF THE MURDERS AND THEREFORE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED AND THAT EVERY SINGLE SOURCED PIECE OF EVIDENCE POINTS DIRECTLY AT INMATE AS THE SOLE MURDERER.

henri - repeating totally debunked and idiotic claims is NOT doing inmate any favors - you only make inmate look more pathetic and ridiculous and you give all of us the opportunity to point out his guilt more and more strongly.....
 
Mazerolle forged his jail records to pretend he was in jail on the night of the MacDonald murders, perhaps with help from Murtagh. He did the same thing in a different part of America during the time he was on the run as a fleeing criminal and he never appeared in court on his initial charges until about a year after the murders. That was proved by Detective Beasley, but disregarded by the genius detectives in the Army CID and FBI.

Gunderson became mired in controversy, and discredited, with regard to the child sex rings in America. I can't prove that he got it right, but the truth is now coming out about the pedophile activities of Clinton and Bush. Any mention of the Podesta emails, which include links to Portugal, or pedophile activities in Hollywood, is now heavily censored even on this internet forum and it is now becoming an offense for the mainstream media to report on it.
 
Henri McPhee said:
Mazerolle forged his jail records to pretend he was in jail on the night of the MacDonald murders, perhaps with help from Murtagh. He did the same thing in a different part of America during the time he was on the run as a fleeing criminal and he never appeared in court on his initial charges until about a year after the murders. That was proved by Detective Beasley, but disregarded by the genius detectives in the Army CID and FBI.



Gunderson became mired in controversy, and discredited, with regard to the child sex rings in America. I can't prove that he got it right, but the truth is now coming out about the pedophile activities of Clinton and Bush. Any mention of the Podesta emails, which include links to Portugal, or pedophile activities in Hollywood, is now heavily censored even on this internet forum and it is now becoming an offense for the mainstream media to report on it.
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Look down. See that small object?

That’s the shark.

The above quote is an excellent example of just being wrong on multiple levels.


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pfffft pfffft pfffft! OMG that is the most ludicrous statement ever made on a discussion board!

there once was a troll,
that didn't try to be droll,
the comments were crazy,
unsupported and hazy,
the nonsense gets thicker,
and made so much quicker,
that inmate is made a fool,
the troll was also a tool!
 
Henri McPhee said:
Mazerolle forged his jail records .....
<snip of insanity>.
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It's drivel like this that makes you impossible to take seriously. So now Mazerolle, who couldn't make bail, was given access to the jail records? And the derail into politics and show business? Sure sign you've got nothing but your obsession with mac (which he won't return) to drive you. You'd be funny if a pregnant woman and her two daughters hadn't been mercilessly slaughtered by your man crush.
 
Mazarolle forged his records? :jaw-dropp
Look, everyone: Henri rejects our reality and substitutes one of his own!
 
Henri McPhee said:
Can't you get it into your thick head that some clever criminals want to blame others for their crimes in order to avoid arrest? snipped



If Gunderson says two and two are four that is not an excuse to discredit him.
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That's exactly what your man crush did, and there's only one thick head in this thread and it isn't ScottPletcher.

To the best of my knowledge there wasn't any question about Gunderson's basic math skills. The issue with Gunderson was that he had no credibility.
 
Ygraine said:
Mazarolle forged his records? :jaw-dropp
Look, everyone: Henri rejects our reality and substitutes one of his own!
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Well how do you explain all this then Sherlock, from Detective Beasley, apart from trying to discredit him as usual?

It is interesting to note that Mazerolle claims he was in jail the night of the MacDonald murders. He claims he can prove this from Superior Court records in Cumberland County. I have been told there is a slip of paper in the court records that shows Mazerolle was in jail the night of 2/16-17/70. These records are available to the public.

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I know Mazerolle was not in jail 2/16-17/70 because I arrested him in January 1970 and recall that the trial was set for Mazerolle the day of 2/17/70. If Mazerolle had been in Jail that date (2/16-17/70) he would have been available for trial on 2/17/70, and I would have appeared in court as a witness. John De Carter of the Sheriff's office was with me in the arrest of Rizzo and Mazerolle and he would have also had to appear in court 2/17/70. I specifically recall that I did not appear in court on any case at the Cumberland County Court House on 2/17/70. I was on the street all day looking for suspects on the MacDonald murders.

I don't recall that Mazerolle was out on bail, but I believe he was, or he would have appeared in court 2/17/70. Since he didn't appear I believe he jumped bail, which means a bench warrant would have been issued for him. I recall he was subsequently arrested in Waycross Georgia for burglary, but I have been informed through my sources in law enforcement that the Waycross arrest records are also missing.

I recall that a bondsman, C. B. Avertt, went to Waycross to extradite Mazerolle for jumping bond on my drug arrest. I talked to Avertt in 1979, and he told me that he didn't recall making the bond and had no record. I talked to him a month later and he recalled that he made bond for Mazerolle for $2500.00 after the MacDonald murders, which, according to him, would confirm that Mazerolle was in jail the night of 2/16-17/70. Avertt is either involved in the cover up or is mistaken. Mazerolle's bond could not have been made after the MacDonald murders because the trial was set for 2/17/70, as explained above.

I don't have knowledge concerning the possible altering of Court records concerning the Mazerolle-Rizzo drug arrest, but I recall a number of occasions when Cumberland Court House records were altered after working hours at night. I don't believe Mazerolle was in jail the night of the murders.
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Go back and reread the pages of this thread about the unreliability of Gunderson. All sourced, all verified by credible personnel. No need to try and discredit him. He has more that adequately done it to himself.
 
Ygraine said:
Go back and reread the pages of this thread about the unreliability of Gunderson. All sourced, all verified by credible personnel. No need to try and discredit him. He has more that adequately done it to himself.
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There are people who support Ted Gunderson since his death. You can't just disregard what they say out of hand. Without mentioning the Jeffrey MacDonald case there should have been some routine police work with regard to these matters which Gunderson mentioned:

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/23/the-strange-case-of-ted-gunderson/
 
Henri McPhee said:
There are people who support Ted Gunderson since his death. You can't just disregard what they say out of hand. <snip>]
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And there are people who support Bigfoot sightings as people seeing an unidentified, uncatalogued species. I can disregard what they say and I can disregard the conspiracy-loving idiot Gunderson's supporters. At one point Gunderson did have credibility. And before that fateful night in February 1970 Jeffrey Macdonald was not a killer. But Gunderson lost his credibility and Mac killed his family.
 
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