Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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varwoche said:
Yet again, the sound of crickets. When you can't cite one lonely, solitary example, I'm left to assume that your claim is fact-free.

By all means, prove me wrong.
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I took EC to be referring to numerous "unnamed senior administration/intelligence officials" as the basis for much of what is discussed as accepted fact.

ETA: the "helpful" infographic with the dude in a hoodie hacking the DNC being touted as some kind of evidence was probably one of my personal favorites.

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Curious.

Candidate Donald Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr. and others in the Trump Organization received an email in September 2016 offering a decryption key and website address for hacked WikiLeaks documents, according to an email provided to congressional investigators.

The September 4 email was sent during the final stretch of the 2016 presidential race -- two months after the hacked emails of the Democratic National Committee were made public and one month before WikiLeaks began leaking the contents of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's hacked emails.

The email came less than three weeks before WikiLeaks itself messaged Trump Jr. and began an exchange of direct messages on Twitter. Trump Jr. told investigators he had no recollection of the September email.
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CJ Hopkins reviews the year in propaganda. I love this guy.

The Year of the Headless Liberal Chicken

CJ Hopkins said:
[...] This initial post-election propaganda was understandably somewhat awkward, as the plan had been to be able to celebrate the “Triumph of Love over the Forces of Hate,” and the demise of the latest Hitlerian bogeyman. But this was the risk the ruling classes took when they chose to go ahead and Hitlerize Trump, which they wouldn’t have done if they’d thought for a moment that he had a chance of actually winning the election. That’s the tricky thing about Hitlerizing people. You need to be able to kill them, eventually. If you don’t, when they turn out not to be Hitler, your narrative kind of falls apart, and the people you’ve fear-mongered into a frenzy of frothing, self-righteous fake-Hitler-hatred end up feeling like a bunch of dupes who’ll believe anything the government tells them. This is why, normally, you only Hitlerize foreign despots you can kill with impunity. This is Hitlerization 101 stuff, which the ruling classes ignored in this case, which the left poor liberals terrified that Trump was actually going to start building Trump-branded death camps and rounding up the Jews.

Fortunately, just in the nick of time, the ruling classes and their media mouthpieces rolled out the Russian Propaganda story. [...]
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At the end of the year:

CJ Hopkins said:
[...] Now that Robert Mueller has proved that Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin by obstructing an investigation by Comey into Michael Flynn’s lying to the FBI about not colluding with the Russian ambassador on behalf of Israel at Kushner’s behest, the dominoes are surely about to fall. Once they all have, and Donald Trump’s head has been mounted on a spike on the White House lawn as a warning to any other potential usurpers, all this Russia and Nazi hysteria that has the poor liberals running around like headless chickens will disappear. Russia will go back to being Russia. The North American Nazi Menace, deprived of daily media coverage, will go back to being a fringe phenomenon. Liberals will go back to ignoring politics (except identity politics, naturally) and obediently serving the global capitalist ruling elites that are destroying the planet, and the lives of millions of human beings, in order to increase their profit margins. Sure, there’ll be a brief emotional hangover, once the adrenaline rush wears off and they look back at their tweets and Facebook posts, which in hindsight might convey the impression that they spent the better part of a year parroting whatever insane propaganda the corporate media pumped out at them, and otherwise behaving like Good Americans … but then, that’s what the “delete” key is for.
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BobTheCoward said:
Why are people anti elites? They have better conversations, art, experiences, etc. I have enjoyed my time around elites infinitely more than others.
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Same thing that tends to ruin every good thing.

Petty insecurity.

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Childlike Empress said:
CJ Hopkins reviews the year in propaganda. I love this guy.

The Year of the Headless Liberal Chicken

At the end of the year:
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Well, at least he does admit that the wheels have come off of Trump's wagon; he just wants you to feel better about it by distorting the facts and insulting liberals. But I guess that's the only solace the dwindling number of Trump supporters are likely to find over the next year or so.
 
Stacko said:
He was “constantly in touch with high-level officials in the campaign,” Papadopoulos’ fiancée said, including “direct communication” with Steve Bannon and Michael Flynn. She said she’s seen correspondences that prove it.
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From that link

“He was very brave and decent to take responsibility” for lying to the FBI, she said. “George is very loyal to his country.”

She said she believes he will now have a firm place in history as “the first domino in the Russia investigation.”
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Stacko said:
Curious.
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Indeed:

Washington Pest said:
Email pointed Trump campaign to WikiLeaks documents that were already public

A 2016 email sent to President Trump and top aides pointed the campaign to hacked documents from the Democratic National Committee that had already been made public by the group WikiLeaks a day earlier. [...]

The writer, who said his name was Michael J. Erickson and described himself as the president of an aviation management company, sent the message to the then-Republican nominee as well as his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., and other top advisers. [...]

The full email — which was first described to CNN as being sent on Sept. 4, 10 days earlier — indicates that the writer may have simply been flagging information that was already widely available. [...]
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C_Felix said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/politics/george-papadopoulos-fiancee/index.html

Same over at CNN.

One needs to wonder what she has to gain by telling this?
Does she not like the commander-in-ept?
Is she trying to take him down so she's explaining that GP wasn't just a cofeve boy?
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You mean why a fiancee of someone who tried to rank up by making up nonsense about how he met Putin's niece and some other junk (Putin doesn't have nieces, btw) wants that her dubious breadwinner gets a place in history, in interviews that likely aren't without breadwinning as well? I agree, it's a total mystery.
 
plague311 said:
I think we've seen this investigation go in a steady direction that most investigations go. Up the ladder.

Is this going towards some myth that only true skeptics wait until all the evidence is in? That may be true when making a conclusion, but there's plenty here to make an educated guess. Denying that is the opposite of skepticism. There are mounds of evidence pointing to collusion on varying levels, and has been pointed out ad nauseum, circumstantial evidence is still evidence. If you don't agree with it, or it's not enough, then fine. Others are able to make what they feel is an informed decision. Neither is "wrong" or even needs defending.



I'm positive they did something illegal. I have no idea if it's related to Russia, money laundering, or what it will point to, but I know they did something illegal. Trump and co. have been linked, or accused, of almost everything in the book. Paying off attorneys, misuse of donations, he lies almost constantly, he even went as far as to have a fake ass doctor write a ******** health diagnosis for absolutely no reason. There is nothing at all that leads me to believe the opposite.



Sweet. I think there's more than enough to establish a pattern of behavior and the evidence is piling on.
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I think this has been plagiarized from one of the Hillary threads ;) I don't believe in altering quotes, so:

I'm positive they did something illegal. I have no idea if it's related to the email server, Clinton Foundation, Bill's penis, or what it will point to, but I know they did something illegal. Hillary and co. have been linked, or accused, of almost everything in the book. Destroying evidence, misuse of donations, rape, murder, she lies almost constantly, she even went as far as to have a fake ass excuse that she had only one device for no reason. There is nothing at all that leads me to believe the opposite.

Turns out she's as innocent as the Virgin Mary.

Just having fun, I can't make heads or tails of half of what's going on right now.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why are people anti elites? They have better conversations, art, experiences, etc. I have enjoyed my time around elites infinitely more than others.
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I'd class myself as of the elite and people sometimes get the impression I'm talking down to them. A surprising number don't even notice.

I imagine you'd class yourself similarly, and you do little to endear yourself or our class to the plebs. This is not uncommon, so the picture they get of our class is unattractive at best.
 
CapelDodger said:
I'd class myself as of the elite and people sometimes get the impression I'm talking down to them. A surprising number don't even notice.

I imagine you'd class yourself similarly, and you do little to endear yourself or our class to the plebs. This is not uncommon, so the picture they get of our class is unattractive at best.
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Little to endear myself?
 
CapelDodger said:
I'd class myself as of the elite and people sometimes get the impression I'm talking down to them. A surprising number don't even notice.

I imagine you'd class yourself similarly, and you do little to endear yourself or our class to the plebs. This is not uncommon, so the picture they get of our class is unattractive at best.
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Jesus. Count me in.

"You should view the world as a conspiracy run by a very closely-knit group of nearly omnipotent people, and you should think of those people as yourself and your friends." - Robert Anton Wilson
 
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