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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

Craig B said:
*Sigh* what does that have to do with whether or not there was an advanced society 12000 years before? You're diverting into irrelevance again.

But since you ask ... I referred to TenochtitlanWP at the time of the European invasion. Was it abandoned or sparsely populated?
Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés arrived in Tenochtitlan on November 8, 1519. With an estimated population between 200,000 and 300,000, many scholars believe Tenochtitlan to have been among the largest cities in the world at that time.

Compared to the cities of Europe, only Paris, Venice and Constantinople might have rivaled it. It was five times the size of the London of Henry VIII. In a letter to the Spanish king, Cortés wrote that Tenochtitlan was as large as Seville or Córdoba. Cortes' men were in awe at the sight of the splendid city and many wondered if they were dreaming.​
Why am I having to tell you this, by the way? It is well known, and the info sources can be found in a few seconds of googling.
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Well, that's a fact, but it doesn't answer my question.

At that number, were they in decline?

I guess I was thinking the Maya-
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...to-deforestation-and-climate-change-30863026/
 
Porpoise of Life said:
First of all, the topic of this thread is whether or not there is evidence for an advanced 12000 year old culture, so if you have been arguing for something entirely different on the last few pages of the thread, that was off topic.

Secondly, you have claimed that [all the various things you came up with] were evidence for an advanced global culture that has heretofore been undiscovered.
That means this culture must predate all the cultures we do know about, because none of them were part of a global network of highly advanced agriculturalists with a population that would require them to till all the arable land you claim they used, nor did they write about them, nor have we found any archaeological remains of this mysterious culture. So the collapse of their society must have taken place many millennia BCE.

Thirdly, you claimed that Göbekli Tepe was evidence for your claims, and that is about 12000 years old. So you yourself did make that connection.

However, you've also tried to argue that buildings from the 16th century and trees from the 1960's were evidence for your secret culture, so I'm not surprised that your 'theory' turns out to be so incoherent that these simple facts slipped your mind.
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Have you or anyone dated the underwater sites I have offered?

"No."

Then they 'might' be. Right now, I am the very beginning of his discovery. It might fit with GT, it might not.

The fact that these grid gardens are within one mile of GT 'suggests' TO ME...that there might be a connection.

For you to dismiss multiple examples of extreme consistency out of hand, without further testing reeks of a closed mind, resistant to fact that might disrupt your belief system.
 
King of the Americas said:
Well, that's a fact, but it doesn't answer my question.

At that number, were they in decline?
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No, they weren't.
The century prior to the Spanish arrival was one of expansion for the Aztec Empire. Had the Spanish not arrived it is likely this would have continued.

King of the Americas said:
I guess I was thinking the Maya-
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...to-deforestation-and-climate-change-30863026/
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As that study shows, it seems likely the Maya collapsed due to resource exhaustion mixed with climate shifts.
 
Okay...

Here is my boldest claim yet:

The African Rainforests were "plowed" before they were planted.

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Does anyone want to mount an expedition to find a series of lost cities!?!? I've found 3 AWESOME places!!
 

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King of the Americas said:
Okay...

Here is my boldest claim yet:

The African Rainforests were "plowed" before they were planted.

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Does anyone want to mount an expedition to find a series of lost cities!?!? I've found 3 AWESOME places!!
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That tree is 150 yards wide... That BLOWS my mind! It marks the intersection of two tree lines.

The lost city, with the clearing and the two trees...that clearing is also 150 yards wide, and there are surrounding over-grown ruins.
 
King of the Americas said:
That tree is 150 yards wide... That BLOWS my mind! It marks the intersection of two tree lines.

The lost city, with the clearing and the two trees...that clearing is also 150 yards wide, and there are surrounding over-grown ruins.
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Too late. Why do you post those pics with no coordinates?
 
King of the Americas said:
Well, that's a fact, but it doesn't answer my question.

At that number, were they in decline?

I guess I was thinking the Maya-
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...to-deforestation-and-climate-change-30863026/
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Yes perhaps you were. Their culture was past its peak. As on other continents, in Mesoamerica one Empire followed another as they rose and fell. But the Aztecs were flourishing. Their capital city was less than 200 years old in 1519. Similarly in S America the Inca EmpireWP was very young when it was obliterated by the conquistadors.
In 1438, they began a far-reaching expansion under the command of Sapa Inca (paramount leader) Pachacuti-Cusi Yupanqui, whose name literally meant "earth-shaker". The name of Pachacuti was given to him after he conquered the Tribe of Chancas (modern Apurímac). During his reign, he and his son Tupac Yupanqui brought much of the Andes mountains (roughly modern Peru and Ecuador) under Inca control.​
 
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King of the Americas said:
That tree is 150 yards wide... That BLOWS my mind! It marks the intersection of two tree lines.
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What tree? :confused:

All you've provided is a blurry very low res screenshot in which we can't even read the information in the Google Earth measure tool box. And there's no co-ordinates available for anyone else to check the area.

So please provide the co-ordinates, exactly what it is you're measuring and claiming about it.

Otherwise this is just more useless **** cluttering up the thread. Nobody can do anything with these crappy unreadable screenshots that provide no useful information. It's beginning to look deliberate, so that you can make claims, claim you've provided evidence, but no-one else can actually check on any of your bizarre claims because you refuse to provide useful evidence.
 
I can't load the pictures differently...it keeps saying the file is too big.

What of this area is visible?

Lat. 0°44'26.79"N
Long. 16°29'54.69"E
 
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