James O'Keefe and Project Veritas strike again!

[phiwum]

Fraud?

How so?

There's no law against trying to fool the press.

 

[Upchurch]

Is libel a crime? Or is it just a civil thing?

I believe it depends on the state, but I don't think defamation is some thing the police investigate or prosecutors would indict on.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I believe it depends on the state, but I don't think defamation is some thing the police investigate or prosecutors would indict on.

It would depend on their specific actions but the libel and slander are civil offenses.

There have been some criminal charges against the group in the past: using fake driver's licenses in California, I believe. And there were charges of trying to break into U.S. Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA) office under false pretenses and with some kind of plan to damage the phones.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Conspiracy to commit what crime?

Slander.

 

[Puppycow]

Slander.

That's a civil offense, not a crime.

eta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Criminal_defamation_3

 

[thaiboxerken]

Then his group should be fined.

 

[Travis]

Is Roy Moore still going to sue the Washington Post for defamation even after they uncovered and exposed a conspiracy to falsely accuse him?

 

[acbytesla]

Is Roy Moore still going to sue the Washington Post for defamation even after they uncovered and exposed a conspiracy to falsely accuse him?

My guess is that he was NEVER going to sue them. He KNOWS he'd lose.

 

[Stacko]

Is Roy Moore still going to sue the Washington Post for defamation even after they uncovered and exposed a conspiracy to falsely accuse him?

Nov. 9: WP reports Moore accusations.
Nov. 10: Project Veritas agent emails WP to offer bait.
Nov. 11: Moore says: “There are investigations going on. In the next few days, there will be revelations about the motivations and the content of this article.”

What did Roy Moore know?​

I think his plan may have backfired.

 

[Craig4]

My guess is that he was NEVER going to sue them. He KNOWS he'd lose.

It's not just that he'd lose, he'd also be subject cross examination during deposition.

 

[Travis]

If Moore was in collusion...what are the legal options for the Washington Post?

 

[Roger Ramjets]

How so?

There's no law against trying to fool the press.

Fraud Law and Legal Definition

Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage.

 

[KDLarsen]

Speaking of Project Veritas, some of their work appears to be having a very real impact, albeit in a rather low key way:

On Wednesday, U.S. attorneys will begin prosecuting people arrested at President Donald Trump’s inauguration. Among the defendants is Dylan Petrohilos, whom prosecutors are trying to convict based on a podcast and a sting video by conservative provocateur James O’Keefe.

Petrohilos is one of nearly 200 people standing trial for their alleged participation in an anti-Trump protest, where some people broke windows and damaged vehicles. But an indictment portrays the incident as a riot, worthy of decades in prison for all alleged participants. Those defendants, some of whom go to trial on Wednesday, include journalists, peaceful protesters, and Petrohilos who says he wasn’t even in the area at the time of the protests. Prosecutors say Petrohilos’s alleged participation in the protest’s planning is enough to convict him.

Feds Use James O’Keefe and a Podcast to Prosecute Anti-Trump Activist

 

[TubbaBlubba]

Fraud Law and Legal Definition

The "resulting injury" is key to prosecuting fraud, according to my extensive watching of American legal dramas.

 

[ponderingturtle]

That wasn't O'Keefe, though. It was people certainly inspired by his scmbaggery, but it was some group calling itself 'Center for Medical Progress'.

While they got a good old shooting out of it to warm their hearts, they also got some felony indictments.

So a few felony indictments is standard for good conservative journalism, see O'Keefe.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

Until their next one...

Seriously, when was the last time these clowns actually pulled one of these off?

ACORN

 

[Trebuchet]

I just realized the word "out" is missing from the thread title.

 

[Upchurch]

I just realized the word "out" is missing from the thread title.

Headcanon accepted.

 

[zorro99]

O’Keefe got his butt exposed.

 

[Stacko]

Project Veritas is at risk of losing its ability to raise money in New York because it did not disclose that its founder had a criminal record.

Project Veritas, a conservative charity that uses deceptive techniques and undercover videos to expose what it calls dishonesty and corruption, is at risk of losing its ability to raise money in New York because it did not disclose that its founder had a criminal record, New York regulators said Thursday.

The organization has until Dec.*14 to explain why it failed to disclose James O’Keefe’s 2010 criminal conviction on records submitted to the state, according to a letter the New York attorney general sent to the charity Wednesday.

If it does not provide an explanation, the letter states, Project Veritas could lose its ability to raise money in New York, a hotbed for charitable giving and the state where the group has its offices. It was not immediately clear how much of the group’s fundraising could be affected.