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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

King of the Americas said:
Because it's in Louisiana so he can go check it out for himself.

Lat. 29°53'57.78"N
Long. 90°27'41.51"W

Where do you live near, and I'll find one you can go investigate for yourself?
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OK zooming in on that shows it to be felled or dead timber stands on what looks like reclaimed wetland, you can see the remains of the trees.
 
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Porpoise of Life said:
There's literally hundreds of thousands to millions of fields in each and every country.
Why wouldn't you expect to find several that look similar on every continent?
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The similarities I've found aren't from areas within a continent, but from continent to continent indicating the two continents' cultures were connected, or were one.
 
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What are we supposed to see in that picture? it's too small to pick out any detail
 
King of the Americas said:
Nope...find it for yourself.

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It matters not 'how recently' it was abandoned.
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If it doesn't matter how recently it was abandoned, then why do you keep prattling on about how it has been abandoned and how the buildings are in such good condition? You kept mentioning these 'facts' as being somehow relevant. Now you can't defend why you kept mentioning it just confirms that you're rambling on about things you can't even explain as being in any way germane to whatever larger point it is you think you're arguing.

It only matters that it also has grid gardens.
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You mean there are rectangular fields in the area? The most obvious shape to make fields? The same shape that farmers the world over and over time have used for fields and marking out other properties because it's the simplest way to divvy up land?

You now seem to think that if you can find modern square fields anywhere in the world, they are evidence of an ancient global advanced agricultural civilisation. I'd say this was getting pathetic if that ship hadn't sailed a long time ago.

What's awesome is what might be in those buildings!!
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If it's a recently abandoned village in the Himalayas then what do you imagine might be awesome in those buildings? Flying saucers? Perpetual motion machines? What the **** are you talking about?
 
King of the Americas said:
Yes. You can see the remains of trees...

LOOK AT THE GRID!
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What about it? Plantations are arranged on grids, the trees are planted in blocks with firebreaks and access tracks between each block.
Are you claiming that any square or rectangular feature on the ground is 'ancient'?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Are you claiming that any square or rectangular feature on the ground is 'ancient'?
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KotA appears to have just discovered the entire concept of rectangular fields and doesn't know what to do with the idea so has decided that they're all ancient. Even the modern ones are ancient. If it's a modern farm of rectangular fields, that is in fact evidence that it's an ancient pattern of rectangular fields.

Apparently at some point in history, even though the population of the planet has been growing exponentially, farmers stopped farming new land, they simply farmed over land that had been farmed for thousands of years, and kept the exact same grid pattern for thousands of years.

If I switch into fringe mode, I could speculate that this is all evidence that the population of ancient earth was billions, before the flood wiped everything out.

Apart from the grid gardens. Apparently those are apocalypse proof.
 
King of the Americas said:
Because it's in Louisiana so he can go check it out for himself.

Lat. 29°53'57.78"N
Long. 90°27'41.51"W

Where do you live near, and I'll find one you can go investigate for yourself?
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I've been around that area before and they ARE reclaimed flood lands. Clovelly Farms. It even says that on the detailed Google Earth. You could have googled that name to determine what it is. It's farm land that is up for sale after reclamation.

This is truly sad.
 
86 items of ignorant assertions, fantasies and lies from 9 November 2017 to 24 November 2017
  1. 27 November 2017: An ignorant rant about the authors of a report on post 1963 tree planting which is what makes a delusion of pre-Columbian planting and a lie of no funding.
  2. 27 November 2017: A total delusion of " historic shipping routes revealed on google earth".
  3. 27 November 2017: An ignorant fantasy that random fields in Texas are evidence of his "global agricultural society" delusion.
  4. 27 November 2017: Irrelevant image of the Hagerman National Wildlife Refuge
  5. 27 November 2017: A lie that his global civilization delusions are supported by a paper on pre-Columbian agriculture.
  6. 25 November 2017: A "grid-gardens" lie and delusion
  7. 27 November 2017: Adds the religious personal myths of a flood and delusions about submerged "garden-grids" from not sourced Google Earth images.
  8. 28 November 2017: A fantasy that the land bridge between North America and Asia was caused by a religious personal myth of the flood.
  9. 28 November 2017: An ignorant delusion that Atlantis was a real place that was flooded.
  10. 28 November 2017: A lie of "countless submerged ruins I have already posted" when he has posted delusions about the ocean floors.
  11. 28 November 2017: A probable lie of a not sourced image having an abandoned "grid garden".
  12. 28 November 2017: Persists with the lie that the documented planting from 1963 did not happen (I link to 2 of several documents!).
  13. 28 November 2017: Repeats the idiocy of gardens maybe kilometers below the ocean surface.
  14. 28 November 2017: An rather incoherent post does not provide any evidence for anything.
  15. 28 November 2017: A lie of posting "countless images of coastal flood ruins", e.g. no locations = a lie of "coastal".
  16. 28 November 2017: A delusion of flooded ruins is not evidence for a global flood.
  17. 28 November 2017: A lie that the paper he posted dated his underwater "grid gardens".
  18. 28 November 2017: A lie that he has presented any economic evidence that shows that the project never existed.
  19. 28 November 2017: A fantasy of "The study provided has photographs from the time period of the study".
  20. 28 November 2017: A lie of "The trees are fully grown".
  21. 28 November 2017: A lie about "grid gardens" in images when there are none!
  22. 28 November 2017: A fantasy that you can tell that an "entire intact village" is empty from a Google Earth image.
  23. 28 November 2017: A possible lie of "no roads or paths leading to it from the highway" because you give no locations as usual!
  24. 28 November 2017: A delusion that an abandoned Himalayan village is somehow relevant to a delusion of undersea abandoned gardens (so far) - Are you honest enough to give us the location of the village?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
What about it? Plantations are arranged on grids, the trees are planted in blocks with firebreaks and access tracks between each block.
Are you claiming that any square or rectangular feature on the ground is 'ancient'?
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Close.

I am claiming that these grids were artificially created years ago, and that originally they were irrigation canals, NOT firebreaks.
 
A fantasy that "Carts, goats, sheep" must be visible in Google Earth

King of the Americas said:
Carts, goats, sheep, and the 'trails' associated with their movement.
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29 November 2017: A fantasy that "Carts, goats, sheep" must be visible in Google Earth for an unknown location and time.
If I zoom into a highway near where I live, I can see only a few cars on it. That does not mean that rush hours never happen :eye-poppi!
If I zoom into farmland near where I live I do not see any goats, sheep, cattle or any livestock at all. That does not mean that there is never any livestock in these fields.
 
King of the Americas said:
Close.

I am claiming that these grids were artificially created years ago, and that originally they were irrigation canals, NOT firebreaks.
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Irrigation canals? Really? In that part of the parish?

My god...you do understand that that part of Louisiana has no shortage of water or need for that many irrigation canals, right? In fact, keeping the water out is a much larger problem than getting it in. That's why it is a reclamation project from wetlands made possible by the US Army Corps of Engineers projects over the last 100 years diverting the Mississippi River through the Atchafalaya Basin. Without their large MODERN projects, none of this would have been possible due to random, periodic and chaotic flooding from the river itself in this area.
 
Crawtator said:
Irrigation canals? Really? In that part of the parish?

My god...you do understand that that part of Louisiana has no shortage of water or need for that many irrigation canals, right? In fact, keeping the water out is a much larger problem than getting it in. That's why it is a reclamation project from wetlands made possible by the US Army Corps of Engineers projects over the last 100 years diverting the Mississippi River through the Atchafalaya Basin. Without their large MODERN projects, none of this would have been possible due to random, periodic and chaotic flooding from the river itself in this area.
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So, more likely drainage channels.
 
Those unsourced images you fantasize about ARE evidence of your delusion

King of the Americas said:
So, pictures of grid gardens underwater AREN'T evidence that these patterns pre-date the last major ocean level rise???
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29 November 2017: Those unsourced images you fantasize about ARE evidence of your delusion of a global civilization.

A start for evidence would be giving the location of these pictures so we can find out how deep the sea is.
 
King of the Americas said:
Sorry pal, all I have available to me is Google Earth.
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A bit of a lie - you also have Google available!
An honest, competent person would give the locations of the images they fantasize about so that other people can look at them and look up the location in at least Google.
You have the ignorant fantasy that there are abandoned fields on the sea floor maybe under kilometers of water. It takes a few minutes to find out what the past sea levels were and determine whether this is possible.

You have a delusion that what looks like an recently? abandoned and intact village in the Himalayas thousands of meters above sea level is related to your undersea garden fantasy. Use Google to see if the village is documented.
 
Here are the remains of a genuine ancient field system, the land to the spouth of Housesteads Roman Fort and it's associated settlement (Vicus) still shows the remains of the terracing on the slopes.

https://goo.gl/maps/8hoDyRqcYY72
 
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King of the Americas said:
The grid gardens I found around Hawaii look to be in less than 100 feet deep, but I couldn't be exact.
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Until you give the actual location we have to assume that this is a lie given your track record of lies, e.g. that there is no documented Chilean tree planting.

If you are ignorant about Hawaii then this is Hawaii - a set of volcanic islands rising steeply from the sea floor. The depths of just the channels between the islands are mostly over 2,300 feet (Auau Channel is 108 feet).
 
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