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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

Porpoise of Life said:
Pictures of rock formations and digital artefacts?

You keep moving the goalposts every time you're asked to support your claims.
You can't provide a date for the pictures of (apparently completely modern) fields, so you move to the next unsupported assertion.

Will you provide evidence for this one? Evidence that these squiggles are fields, and that they were above sea level once, and when?
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Sorry pal, all I have available to me is Google Earth.
 
King of the Americas said:
So...

I found an entire intact village, complete with grid gardens, and buildings that still have roofs...empty...

It's a whole city...and I see no signs of recent human activity...it is tucked away up in the Himalayas, and the nearest road or population center is 30 miles away.

There are no roads or paths leading to it from the highway...
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Maybe if you gave us the coordinates (as I have asked you before) then we could tell you exactly what this is...as we have done with all the other stuff you've posted.

(I refer you to the Japanese island evacuated due to an eruption in the Pacific, to the roads used by logging companies in Congo, and the Tamarugo forest in Chile).

King of the Americas said:
The study provided has photographs from the time period of the study...

The trees are fully grown:

(So...please, refrain...)
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It has been explained to you that not all the Tamarugo were cut down in the 19th century. In addition, how tall would you say that tree was? In the space of 50 years they will have grown to full height, and the 60s onwards plantings were not the first (as has been explained).
 
King of the Americas said:
No.

My far-reaching theory is supported by the underwater ruins I found using google earth.

If you cannot keep up, I have tutorial sessions available on the weekends.
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Oh, I can keep up just fine... It's someone else in this thread who keeps making sweeping statments and gets all pissy when asked to bacvk them up.

You havent found any ruins. There are squiggly lines there, sure... which could be the sea bed, artefacts of the digital processing, anything.
To support your ludicrous conclusion you need to establish that they are in fact ruins, and establish their age first.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
Oh, I can keep up just fine... It's someone else in this thread who keeps making sweeping statments and gets all pissy when asked to bacvk them up.

You havent found any ruins. There are squiggly lines there, sure... which could be the sea bed, artefacts of the digital processing, anything.
To support your ludicrous conclusion you need to establish that they are in fact ruins, and establish their age first.
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They are the same size and shape as their terrestrial counterparts!

Please do some reading...

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/29/11874.long

The grid gardens this study speaks to are near Laguna de Chapala-
 

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Perfectly maintained agricultural fields...

How can these be the abandoned remnants of a culture that died out millennia ago?
You do realize that fields don't look like this for even a few years after they stop being cultivated?
 
Porpoise of Life said:
Perfectly maintained agricultural fields...

How can these be the abandoned remnants of a culture that died out millennia ago?
You do realize that fields don't look like this for even a few years after they stop being cultivated?
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With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about...

These fields have been continuously re-occupied, and kept up.

I can show you others that have suffered years of abandonment, but their outline is still clear...

If you'll just download Google Earth, follow my instructions, you'll see the evidences for yourself.
 
TheSupermeerkat said:
Was the issue of beer brewing ever gotten to the bottom of, or did KotA just merrily flit to another topic?
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It received the same amount of thought and attention as his claims that:
-All modern agriculture uses ancient grid patterns originally laid out by a lost race that fled to space before the Ice Age
-Menorahs are a secret map of Atlantis
-There are roads along the seabed from Easter Island to Chile
-Some EA Moai must have been quarried from beneath the sea
-Pumapunku could not have been built without advanced machinery
-The builders of Göbekli Tepe were farmers
-Quarried stone blocks from around the world are actually a super secret form of concrete
-There was an intercontinental trade network long before recorded history
-A ruin off the coast of Spain is Atlantis
-A ruin off the coast of Morocco is Atlantis
-Atlantis was in the Mediterranean
-Plato was factually correct about Atlantis
-Plato was wrong about the exact dating and location of Atlantis.


He is quite consistent, because he has provided exactly the same amount of evidence for each claim.

Do you suppose he'll abandon his underwater gardens for something new soon?
 
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Porpoise of Life said:
It received the same amount of thought and attention as his claims that:
-All modern agricultures uses ancient grid patterns originally laid out by a lost race that fled to space
-Menorahs are a secret map of Atlantis
-There are roads along the seabed from Easter Island to Chile
-Some EA Moai must have been quarried from beneath the sea
-Pumapunku could not have been built without advance machinery
-The builders of Göbekli Tepe were farmers
-Quarried stone blocks from around the world are actually a super secret form of concrete
-A ruin off the coast of Spain is Atlantis
-A ruin off the coast of Morocco is Atlantis
-Atlantis was in the Mediterranean
-Plato was factually correct about Atlantis
-Plato was wrong about the exact dating and location of Atlantis.


He is quite consistent, because he has provided exactly the same amount of evidence for each claim.

Do you suppose he'll abandon his underwater gardens for something new soon?
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Intellectually dishonest much?
 
King of the Americas said:
They are the same size and shape as their terrestrial counterparts!

Please do some reading...

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/29/11874.long

The grid gardens this study speaks to are near Laguna de Chapala-
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*Because NONE of you are even vaguely interested in reading peer-reviewed material about the dating of these grid gardens-

"Currently, however, the earliest evidence for Mexican maize consists of cobs recovered from Guilá Naquitz dated to 5,400 B.P. (6,200 cal B.P.) (10), and pollen and phytoliths from San Andrés, Tabasco, with an age of 6,200 B.P. (7,300 cal B.P.) (11, 12). Both sites are outside of the present distributional range of wild maize, and neither provided evidence for a premaize use of teosinte."
 
King of the Americas said:
*Because NONE of you are even vaguely interested in reading peer-reviewed material about the dating of these grid gardens-

"Currently, however, the earliest evidence for Mexican maize consists of cobs recovered from Guilá Naquitz dated to 5,400 B.P. (6,200 cal B.P.) (10), and pollen and phytoliths from San Andrés, Tabasco, with an age of 6,200 B.P. (7,300 cal B.P.) (11, 12). Both sites are outside of the present distributional range of wild maize, and neither provided evidence for a premaize use of teosinte."
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These do not date the 'grid gardens'. They date the start of agriculture in Mexico.
Nothing in this paper indicates that the modern fields you keep posting pictures of date back to the advent of agriculture thousands of years ago.

And nothing indicates the neccesity of the technologically advanced, globally connected society you claim must have created them.
 
It's an easy cop out. Point to a modern field then claim it's an ancient field that is still in use.

There are fields that have been in use for over a thousand years. I know of some in my own area but you wouldn't know just by looking at a google earth image.
 
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