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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

Captain_Swoop said:
No the ground was divided up by roads and then sold of as plots, these plots were marked out as squares because it was the easiest way to mark them out and divide up the land.
Those circular crawlers are so much more efficient and produce so much more than other methods that they can afford to leave the corners fallow (although I have seen smaller circular irrigated circles squeezed in to the fallow areas)

Fields in England are smaller as they were based on 'Hides' areas of land that can be plowed by one team of plough and oxen in a day.
Fields close to towns and villages tend to be long and narrow as the plots were divided based upon the street frontage whereas fields in open country are more square.
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Yeah, but...

I can show you fields of this same size and shape everywhere!
 
JesseCuster said:
Please provide the co-ordinates for this place, I want to check it out myself.

edit: That's 3 requests for the co-ordinates in quick succession. I think you're legally obliged to provide the information now.
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Nope...find it for yourself.

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It matters not 'how recently' it was abandoned. It only matters that it also has grid gardens.

What's awesome is what might be in those buildings!!
 
Grid gardens? You mean square and rectangular fields and enclosures, the simplest shape to make?

Don't you think it is a coincidence that the vast majority of field systems around the world are square or rectangular?
 
King of the Americas said:
I am sorry. Find it yourself. I am keeping that one just for me.
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How... dishonest.

King of the Americas said:
Nope...find it for yourself.

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It matters not 'how recently' it was abandoned. It only matters that it also has grid gardens.

What's awesome is what might be in those buildings!!
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Lol, you really are just pulling our leg, right?
There is nothing to link this village you won't tell us the location of (because you know someone will discover its age) to your magical ancient astronauts.

'yeah, but, they know what a rectangle is' really is your entire argument.

It would be funny if it weren't so clear that you're not at all serious and are just trying to see how long you can lead us on.
 
King of the Americas said:
1. They are massive.

2. They are the same size.
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No they're not. They're clearly all of different sizes.

Even if they were... Remember what you were trying to argue... That these grids are evidence of an advanced globe spanning culture that predates all of human history... How does 'these two squares are roughly the same size' lead you to that ridiculous conclusion?
 
Porpoise of Life said:
How... dishonest.



Lol, you really are just pulling our leg, right?
There is nothing to link this village you won't tell us the location of (because you know someone will discover its age) to your magical ancient astronauts.

'yeah, but, they know what a rectangle is' really is your entire argument.

It would be funny if it weren't so clear that you're not at all serious and are just trying to see how long you can lead us on.
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I am HONESTLY not going to tell you.

I will provide pictures of the grid gardens with the google earth ruler, so you can see they are of a similar size and shape...
 
Craig B said:
Sometimes they vanish altogether as far as the unaided eye is concerned. The oldest known field system is Céide Fields, Co Mayo, Ireland. This structure was provisionally detected, by ground probing with rods, in the 1930s, but it was not until the 1970s that the system was substantially uncovered. Needless to say it shows no sign of being technically advanced, or part of a global civilisation twelve thousand years old. It is less than half that age.
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BUT...it does have grid gardens!
 

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Captain_Swoop said:
Grid gardens? You mean square and rectangular fields and enclosures, the simplest shape to make?

Don't you think it is a coincidence that the vast majority of field systems around the world are square or rectangular?
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I have a hard time believe this guy is serious. Its not even a mystery, its just......obvious and unremarkable.


King of the Americas said:
1. They are massive.

2. They are the same size.
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Ya, ok....how massive, the same size with in what tolerance? How does that prove anything?

Seriously, the most banal evidence of a lost civilization I've heard of, even more unremarkable than different cultures coming up with a way to stack rocks into pyramids.
 
Crawtator said:
I have no idea why this picture should be relevant. Please expound just a bit before you reply with another nonsensical picture. Thanks in advance.
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Because it's in Louisiana so he can go check it out for himself.

Lat. 29°53'57.78"N
Long. 90°27'41.51"W

Where do you live near, and I'll find one you can go investigate for yourself?
 
ahhell said:
I have a hard time believe this guy is serious. Its not even a mystery, its just......obvious and unremarkable.


Ya, ok....how massive, the same size with in what tolerance? How does that prove anything?

Seriously, the most banal evidence of a lost civilization I've heard of, even more unremarkable than different cultures coming up with a way to stack rocks into pyramids.
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That's because you haven't seen the evidence.
 
King of the Americas said:
'Industrial size'...NOT for one family...I'm claiming this was advanced agriculture, not just for singular consumption.

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The same size from continent to continent?

Why wouldn't that indicate a connection??
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There's literally hundreds of thousands to millions of fields in each and every country.
Why wouldn't you expect to find several that look similar on every continent?

But again, you're trying to distract us... It's up to you to provide evidence, not up to us to shoot down every silly thing you come up with.

So, so far in this thread:
No evidence for agriculture at Göbekli Tepe
No evidence for advanced machinery at Puma Punku
No evidence of underwater ruins
No evidence for intercontinental trade networks that predate the ones we know about
And still no evidence that any of the fields you've posted pictures of are as old as you claim.

And that's just this one thread. I suppose you'll be dropping the 'grid garden' thing soon too, when you're tired of ignoring everyone's questions.
 
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King of the Americas said:
The green, not the brown.
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Some kind of plantation, probably where they have reclaimed the old peat diggings> If they aren't peat diggings they will be land that has been logged and is awaiting replanting, just like the forests around here.

I don't know what else I am supposed to see. It looks like the forestry plantations around here on the Moors, some is one old peat bog and looks like your picture after the trees have been cropped but not replanted. Peat Bog where there is still extraction going on looks exactly the same from above.
That's because the trees are planted in rows and then felled in rows leading to stripes on the ground after they are felled. Peat is cut and extracted in rows by a narrow plough pulled by a tractor and in overhead photographs looks the same, stripes on the ground.
 
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