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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

Can you understand that the trees were not planted only in the 1960's

  1. 9 November 2017: Present your evidence of an "advanced agricultural civilization" at Göbekli Tepe (or acknowledge your assertion was wrong)
  2. 9 November 2017: Present your evidence of a "globally connected" civilization about 12,900 BP (start of the Younger Dryas).
  3. 9 November 2017: Present your evidence of a single civilization building pyramids globally about 12,900 BP (start of the Younger Dryas).
  4. 9 November 2017: Present your evidence that Easter Island is being re-dated and to about 12,900 BP (start of the Younger Dryas).
  5. 10 November 2017: Why do scientists not have a theory of an asteroid impact causing the Younger Dryas?
  6. 10 November 2017: Citation for "ovens for bread" ovens at Göbekli Tepe
  7. 13 November 2017: Is not finding pink unicorns at GT evidence that pink unicorns existed at GT :p?
  8. 13 November 2017: Inanity of pointing out that there have been no "grain cello" (silos) found when that is evidence of no agriculture!
  9. 13 November 2017: A lie about a unsourced quote being evidence for ovens for bread
  10. 13 November 2017: Confirmed a delusion that a "global connected civilization" carved the hand carvings appearing at GT and on Easter Island.
  11. 13 November 2017: Where the carvings of foxes, etc. on Easter Island? Where the moai, makemake, birdmen, etc. at Göbekli Tepe?
  12. 14 November 2017: Source for one statue at Ahu Nau Nau being basalt.
  13. 14 November 2017: Source for that basalt statue coming from a basalt quarry that is now underwater.
  14. 16 November 2017: An ignorant fantasy that basically a lawyer with no stated archeology experience can identify sunken ruins in Google Earth
  15. 16 November 2017: A fantasy of a billion or hundreds of millions of trees planted in a nature reserve (Pampa del Tamarugal National Reserve) when his numbers say less than 50 million.
  16. 16 November 2017: A delusion that all "buried" moai face in the same direction and that is toward Chile (sources please)?
  17. 17 November 2017: An ignorant fantasy that Easter Island is "connected" to modern Chilean tree plantings because he followed undersea ridges to Chile on Google Maps.
  18. 20 November 2017: Evidence for a "bombing test run site" other than what you imagine in images.
  19. 20 November 2017: Why would a government not set up a tiny bombing range close to an unoccupied forest?
21 November 2017: Can you understand that the trees were not planted only in the 1960's?
They were planted over the last ~60 years. At a uniform rate that is only about 500,000 trees a year.

21 November 2017: A delusion of "ancient guild posts" on the sea floor between Easter Island and Chile when he knows that there is an ocean there!

21 November 2017: A bit of idiocy by not telling anyone know where these "lines" are, e.g. with coordinates or an image.
It may be that the "lines" are totally in his head and not in Google Earth. We know about the real "lines" - undersea ridges and artifacts from scanning the sea floor.
 
What boggles MY mind is the none of you, seemingly, have "followed the lines"...
21 November 2017: A lie that "none of you, seemingly, have "followed the lines""
I followed obvious underwater ridges between Easter Island and the Chilean coast as I have stated several times.
Hans has a post with an image containing the "lines" between Easter Island and the Chilean coast: Oh my he does seem to be going off the deep end

The truth is that none of us have been dumb enough to think that modern tree plantations are connected to Easter Island by these "lines" and are not evidence of a globally connected civilization 10,000 years ago. We know that lines across the sea floor are not ancient trading roads! We know that the period of the 1960's to today was not 10,000 years ago!

It is totally ignorant to be "truly shocked and amazed" to find that people can plant a lot of trees :jaw-dropp.
 
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So...this location has only two lines to it...BUT...

It is remote, scarcely populated, yet contains an artificially planted forest with millions of trees.

Lat. 21°55'41.59"S
Long. 157°55'14.70"W
 
A quick Google reveals that pine trees were planted on Mangaia Island in the Cook Islands (the site of KotA's latest insane ramblings) in 1990s with the aid of New Zealand.

What kind of bizarre conspiracy to cover up ancient plantations by pretending their modern plantations does KotA imagine is going on? The answer is probably that he's just asking questions and thus doesn't have to answering anything about the bizarre ramifications of what he's saying.

KotA, could you please post a screenshot of one of the lines you're following so I can verify that you're just following Google Earth artefacts? While you're at it can you explain what it is you think those lines are. I want to know what you imagine ancient peoples did with the Pacific Ocean floor for thousands of mile stretches which are miles wide, how on earth they did it and why such a bizarre and mammoth engineering task would be carried out because it doesn't make any sense at all and it's insane to think such a thing would be possible (especially when you think the idea of large modern tree plantations is prima facie absurd).
 
So...this location has only two lines to it...BUT...

It is remote, scarcely populated, yet contains an artificially planted forest with millions of trees.

Lat. 21°55'41.59"S
Long. 157°55'14.70"W

It is noteworthy here in Scotland that large artificially-planted forests with millions of trees are normally established in remote scarcely populated areas. It has never been suggested, as far as I am aware, that the main population centres of Edinburgh or Glasgow should be demolished and replaced with Caledonian pine trees. The Natural Heritage site informs us that
To avoid competition with agriculture, forestry was directed into marginal upland areas. Afforestation took place mainly on mire, heather moorland and rough grassland.​
This marginal upland mire etc was scarcely populated at the time of reafforestation.
 
Wait, what? KotA finds a modern day tree plantation, and somehow, that's evidence that these trees have been here for 12000 years?
 
A quick Google reveals that pine trees were planted on Mangaia Island in the Cook Islands (the site of KotA's latest insane ramblings) in 1990s with the aid of New Zealand.

What kind of bizarre conspiracy to cover up ancient plantations by pretending their modern plantations does KotA imagine is going on? The answer is probably that he's just asking questions and thus doesn't have to answering anything about the bizarre ramifications of what he's saying.

KotA, could you please post a screenshot of one of the lines you're following so I can verify that you're just following Google Earth artefacts? While you're at it can you explain what it is you think those lines are. I want to know what you imagine ancient peoples did with the Pacific Ocean floor for thousands of mile stretches which are miles wide, how on earth they did it and why such a bizarre and mammoth engineering task would be carried out because it doesn't make any sense at all and it's insane to think such a thing would be possible (especially when you think the idea of large modern tree plantations is prima facie absurd).

The trees I am talking about are the oldest ones on the island...they weren't planted 20-something years ago.

So far, the only thing I'd claim is the people or civilization that came before us, were planters and cultivators in all the possible locations along their routes...bigger than our best efforts by 10 fold. Also, our re-occupations are pathetic. The grid-like patterns I mentioned are old abandoned farms, no longer in use.
 

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I don't now about 12,000 years, but I'd LOVE to date this island:

Lat. 27°52'1.67"N
Long. 128°13'52.82"E
 

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Here:

Lat. 38°45'52.53"S

Long. 71° 5'14.03"W
 

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I've got a sneaking suspicion that I'll never get an answer... but:

What makes you think these examples of modern day forestry are linked to ancient civilisations?
 
I've got a sneaking suspicion that I'll never get an answer... but:

What makes you think these examples of modern day forestry are linked to ancient civilisations?

1. Researching Government Budgets- The places I have chosen weren't and aren't capable is such agricultural feats.

2. Addressing the Historical Record- Re-planting is a modern notion. The first lumberjacks to hit North America took all, and left few if any in their reach.

*Objection- Speculation: You have no idea if these are modern day forestry.
 
How, in the name of sanity, have you determined this little nugget?

Blimey, are you planning on just posting random forests now?

By comparing tree copy sizes...

I am posting pictures of artificial forests, who's planting far pre-dates its modern occupants.

Some have been very remote islands with sparse populations.
 

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