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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

King of the Americas said:
I have a theory, and partial proofs that these lines on google earth oceans, that I followed to find the initial orchard are NOT anomalies, all. Some ARE indeed more detailed scans, but others are trails that lead to inland forest resources both natural and artificial.
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Do the artefact lines and the 'real' lines in the ocean look different? They must if some are mere Google Earth artefacts and some are real underwater features. Please post some screenshots of real ones and artefact ones so we can tell the difference and your methodology for determining which are which.

Have you any idea how ******* insane it is to think that ancient peoples constructed 'trails' on the floor of the Pacific Ocean, thousands of feet below the surface, , miles wide and thousands of miles long, in order to lead people to inland forests? Nothing about that makes any sense on any level and you haven't presented a smidgin of evidence in its favour.

How can you it is plausible for ancient peoples to have engineered such a thing, yet you think that the forest plantation in Chile is far too complex and costly for a modern government to have carried out? Your idea is too ludicrous for words, yet you scoff at mere idea that the Chilean tree plantation is a modern creation?

You've completely gone off the deep end (see what I did there?).
 
King of the Americas said:
Alright, it is times like this, that I need a batwing.

I have a theory, and partial proofs that these lines on google earth oceans, that I followed to find the initial orchard are NOT anomalies, all. Some ARE indeed more detailed scans, but others are trails that lead to inland forest resources both natural and artificial.
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Lie

King of the Americas said:
I'll assemble a report shortly, and create another thread to discuss my findings.
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Huuuuuuuuuuuge Lie

King of the Americas said:
I've found natural forest management that stretches across two states, multiple artificial orchards, grid patterns laid out, that may or may not have ever been planted, and "an Atlantis"...no joke!
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Lie


King of the Americas said:
"Follow the lines..."
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Follow the lies.
 
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King of the Americas said:
THE BIGGEST artificial forest ever planted...
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The "BIGGEST artificial forest" is ignorant because you have been told about the Kielder Forest with three-quarters of its 250 square miles (650 km2) covered by forest (187 square miles in forest).
In 1991 there were 37,000 ha, your 2 areas are ~37,000 ha (rounding up!). That is 142 square miles spilt into 2 forests. The bigger forest is ~29,200 ha or 113 square miles.

P.S. China already has the largest human-made forest in the world, covering more than 500,000 square kilometres
 
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Don't forget the massive replanting in the USA and Canada, there are huge areas of second and third growth forest.
 
King of the Americas said:
I have no clue what any of this means, or what 'dates' should be employed.
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That is wrong - you know that these are trees that were planted starting in the 1960s and so it have nothing to do with anything pre-Columbian.

Spouting fantasies about trees in a national nature reserve does not help your credibility. It does not matter who planted the trees -it is an delusion that they were planted pre-Columbian. A "bombing target area" fantasy because you imagine something is a airstrip.
 
King of the Americas said:
That tree plantation was NOT planted in the 1960's because:
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A post of ignorant fantasies.

The trees were planted starting in the 1960's. They have been planted over a period of over 50 years :eye-poppi!

What we see in the images are trees with different widths - from slender to wide. If the wide ones are " fully matured " then the slender ones are saplings!

A fantasy of a "bombing run site".

A fantasy of "all the same age, seemingly"

A fantasy of "weren't maintained or replanted.".

I also do not believe your "lines" are artifacts. I believe the "lines" are undersea ridges and so it was just as idiotic to follow them.

A delusion that following any Google Earth lines to "other plantations and other desert grid patterns" is evidence for a globally connected civilization 10, 000 years ago (Göbekli Tepe).
 
Evidence for a "bombing test run site" other than what you imagine in images

This King of the Americas "bombing test run site" is just a fantasy (so far) based on another fantasy:
King of the Americas said:
Due East of the upper orchard is a modern runway...just to the south is another mock runway...I think it is a bombing test run site...the air strip is about 60 yards wide, with craters about 8 yards wide...So...the government spent untold billions of dollars to plant millions of seeds or trees and then they set a bombing range next to it...???
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It is the plantings in the southern national nature reserve that were likely to have been financed by the government over the last 50 years. The northern area could be planted by many different farmers, probably on their own, maybe with government support.
20 November 2017: Evidence for a "bombing test run site" other than what you imagine in images.
And then:
20 November 2017: Why would a government not set up a tiny bombing range close to an unoccupied forest?
No damage to the trees. No risk to the farmers.
 
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King of the Americas said:
...I've found natural forest management that stretches across two states, multiple artificial orchards, grid patterns laid out, that may or may not have ever been planted, and "an Atlantis"...no joke!
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A federally supported tree planning program in Chile that has lasted for over 50 years
  • happens in two Chilean states!
  • has multiple artificial orchards!
  • has grid patterns (as if Chileans are ignorant about string and basic surveying!) :eye-poppi!
and has nothing to do with the stupidity of "an Atlantis" in Chile.
 
What boggles MY mind is the none of you, seemingly, have "followed the lines"...

My finds have truly shocked and amazed me...

That said, it'll take some practice on clicking or zooming in. Often these lines end, well before the shore, as do their inter-sectors, so you have to continue the line as it lands at a point on land...then look for flatlands...desert or not. Then look for long straight lines, or grid-like patterning. For example across the entire state of Oregon and into Washington and California is a checkerboard pattern of cleared and re-planted lumber activity. Some of the re-planting is over 200 years old (*Tree canopy size comparison analysis), and contains a clearly 'artificial patterning.' The first lumber companies to begin work across North America "cleared and gutted" the landside. (*https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/early-washington-and-logging-timber-industry/) Re-planting didn't occur until relatively modern times.

These plantations/orchards, and artificial forest management is found all around the world...look for yourselves!

I am still looking for myself for a list of the "top 7" most remote, least populated, most manipulate agricultural landscapes, CONNECTED to or with these submerged lines.

NOT ALL LINES ARE THE SAME:

When you choose a in-land target try to ignore what you deem natural ocean floor features...ridges, tectonic plate locations and the like. Instead, look for what appear to be tracks from tank-like roller. There are ridges near the outside, and it is sorta flat in the middle, or the ridges are all still clear... Sometimes they look like dents in the ocean floor...but they almost always stop well before the shore, and good targets have several lines intersecting at one point.

GOOD TARGETS:

French Polynesia
The African & South American Coasts
Remote Islands
Heavily forested areas (dark green)

LOOK FOR:

Symmetrical lines
Even spaced trees
Large square blocks
Surrounding ruins of human habitation
 
King of the Americas said:
checkerboard pattern of cleared and re-planted lumber activity. Some of the re-planting is over 200 years old (*Tree canopy size comparison analysis), and contains a clearly 'artificial patterning.' The first lumber companies to begin work across North America "cleared and gutted" the landside. (*https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/early-washington-and-logging-timber-industry/) Re-planting didn't occur until relatively modern times.

These plantations/orchards, and artificial forest management is found all around the world...look for yourselves!
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How did you do your 'Tree canopy size comparison analysis'?

Different species grow at different rates. For example the Pine forests around the place I live were planted in the 60s. They are now mature and being cropped. A 30 year old Oak or Elm would still be a youngster.

We know there are plantations/orchards, and artificial forest management areas around the world. It's a huge industry, most are commercial timber crops, others are fruiting trees, others are palm oil (old growth forest and jungle is being cleared to plant oil Palm, it's a big concern) some is reforesting previously cleared areas to restore them. That's what we have been telling you. There is no need to invoke ancient lost civilisations.
 
I must say that this thread has taken a turn for the grotesque. KotA's discovery of these lines is the most hilarious stupidity I have ever encountered on these pages.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Very constructive.
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I am very very sorry sir for not meeting your standards.

What is your suggestion?
Should I go for the very constructive way of endlessly repeating "Please KotA, show evidence for your claims"?

Maybe one day you will realize that KotA is 100% trolling and that trolling does not deserve constructive answers.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
How did you do your 'Tree canopy size comparison analysis'?

Different species grow at different rates. For example the Pine forests around the place I live were planted in the 60s. They are now mature and being cropped. A 30 year old Oak or Elm would still be a youngster.

We know there are plantations/orchards, and artificial forest management areas around the world. It's a huge industry, most are commercial timber crops, others are fruiting trees, others are palm oil (old growth forest and jungle is being cleared to plant oil Palm, it's a big concern) some is reforesting previously cleared areas to restore them. That's what we have been telling you. There is no need to invoke ancient lost civilisations.
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Clearly, KotA is not only an archeologist, but also an expert in masonry (ancient and new), forestry (ancient? and new), macro-economics (he was able to ascertain whether the Chilean government had funded these projects by....something) and geophysical processes (those tracks were clearly laid down on the Pacific floor by some track laying machine or...something).

We are all clearly out of our depths arguing with such an astute mind. I, for one, welcome our new overlord.
 
How do you tell the age of a ruined building road or earthwork by looking at it on Google Earth?
 
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