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Charles Manson (1934-2017)

Yeah, there are all kinds of stories of people's brush with striving musician Charlie Manson. He probably tried to play for anyone who would listen. I guess he wasn't absolutely terrible. (?) (Probably pretty terrible.)

My hunch is that Bugliosi exaggerated how alien and squalid the hippies were, but he wasn't making up the craziness inside Manson land. There was ample evidence for that.
 
MikeG said:
Why is such venom and bile reserved for this guy, when the perpetrator of your average mass shooting event is anonymous and forgotten by the time of the next one? Is it because he organised the killing of a celebrity?
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Yes it was the celebrity tie-in but it was also the time when the mass media coverage really began, TV, radio and newsprint coverage exploded around this time. So it was the first "big" serial killing event and stuck in a lot of people's memory, whereas now as you say they only get the headlines for a few days before the next "big" media event happens.

Same thing in the UK with Brady and Hindley, or the train robbers.
 
MikeG said:
Why is such venom and bile reserved for this guy, when the perpetrator of your average mass shooting event is anonymous and forgotten by the time of the next one? Is it because he organised the killing of a celebrity?
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Part of it was the horror factor -the blood and gore. Susan Atkins tasted Sharon Tate's blood. There were more than 169 stab wounds and 7 gunshot wounds among the Manson murder victims. This was by a bunch of hippies.
 
A bunch of make-love-not-war, don't-follow-leaders hippies?!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Why? Wouldn't the Devil be giving him a place of honour?
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It really depends on which depiction. On the TV series "Lucifer", for example, he is deeply offended when people blame him for their own misdeeds, and is very proud of the punishments he has inflicted on the most evil people in history.


More "seriously", I'm sure that a lot of people would like to pour some sort of high-end booze on his grave in tribute... after filtering it through their kidneys.
 
MikeG said:
Why is such venom and bile reserved for this guy, when the perpetrator of your average mass shooting event is anonymous and forgotten by the time of the next one? Is it because he organised the killing of a celebrity?
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One obvious factor is that this happened almost 50 years ago, long before mass shootings became routine. This was probably the most horrible crime anybody had imagined at the time. Another factor is that it was committed by a cult-like group on the orders of a lunatic at a time when communes, "hippies" etc. were seen as a threat to the established order. Another factor is that -- unlike many mass murderers -- the killer/s were not caught or killed on the spot. In fact the Manson gang wasn't identified and arrested for months, leaving the whole West Coast in a state of continuing terror. Movie stars started carrying guns. This was a rare, if not unique, crime.
 
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Nay_Sayer said:
Right up there with Hillary.....I know your ilk take a lot of oxygen to process things so I'll keep this very short. No, Just no.
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You might find that Cain is a rather good exponent of Poe, rather than being serious.
 
I think because the whole story was so compelling and at the same time, so bizarre. I remember reading a very long story on the trial around 1971 or so in our local paper. I mean, these hippies took so much acid that they thought the Beatles were telling them to start a race war? And the whole crazy bit with him scarring the swastika into his forehead and the next day his women show up to protest the trial and they've all got swastikas?
 
I think very few people regret his passing.

To quote Jack Nicholson as The Joker:

"You were a mean bastard. And I am glad you're dead".
 
Bob001 said:
One obvious factor is that this happened almost 50 years ago, long before mass shootings became routine. This was probably the most horrible crime anybody had imagined at the time. Another factor is that it was committed by a cult-like group on the orders of a lunatic at a time when communes, "hippies" etc. were seen as a threat to the established order. Another factor is that -- unlike many mass murderers -- the killer/s were not caught or killed on the spot. In fact the Manson gang wasn't identified and arrested for months, leaving the whole West Coast in a state of continuing terror. Movie stars started carrying guns. This was a rare, if not unique, crime.
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"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy." -Charles Manson
 
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