Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny

[logger]

I wonder how long we'll have to wait for Moore to ask for an independent ethics investigation of the accusations being made against him.

Maybe when a picture pops up? A Polaroid perhaps?

 

[PhantomWolf]

A claimant? That is not proof at all.

No, but their testimony is evidence. Proof is rather high standard for anything, so high that it's not even the standard in a court of law.

A witness to the kiss

I haven't heard that she has this, so it would seem to stand in the "if any of Moore's alleged victims have a witness" box.

along with this photo is all she needs.

No, the photo doesn't prove her claims, in fact it at best could disprove one of them. (again I'm going to point out, that IMO even pretending to grope someone without their consent is very, very wrong, but it's not actually illegal.)

Not to mention his alleged harassment of her the whole time.

Which is the exact same as those that claim Moore harassed and assaulted them.

The other perv had allegations of over 40 years ago with no proof except allegation.

The seem the same to me, but the allegations against Moore are far more serious in nature.

Personally, I think both should stand down, Trump and any others in the Government that have done it too.

 

[d4m10n]

We haven’t gotten as far as did he actually grab them. There was also a witness to that. Besides, it looks to me like he’s touching. It’s clearly assault.

Assault (at least at common law and in most statutes) requires apprehension and awareness on the part of the victim.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_(tort)

 

[Brainster]

I do not know, it appears that because she worked at hooters and took sexy pictures and was probably groped worse that... uh.... she should not be complaining about Senator Al Franken groping her or something?

**** if I know.

Anyway, there is a link to her bikini pictures in this thread for some damn reason, but not for slut shaming.

And I, for one, appreciate it. She definitely fills those bikinis to the rim. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that being attractive does not constitute an invitation to grab.

 

[Brainster]

Assault (at least at common law and in most statutes) requires apprehension and awareness. on the part of the victim.

So it's free feelies on any woman asleep or passed out? Fascinating!

 

[PhantomWolf]

it looks to me like he’s touching.

We'll have to disagree on that.

It’s clearly assault.

Only if he actually grabbed her flack jacket, and even then, good luck with the police, if they won't prosecute guys for grabbing women's breasts in nightclubs, no chance of them being anything for touching one over a flack jacket.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

When you're a star, they'll let you do anything--shove your tongue in their mouth, photograph them in sexually humiliating situations...

Is that your takeaway from what I wrote? If so, please reread my observation and consider it as a perspective.

 

[logger]

Only if he actually grabbed her flack jacket, and even then, good luck with the police, if they won't prosecute guys for grabbing women's breasts in nightclubs, no chance of them being anything for touching one over a flack jacket.

I would guess you’re wrong on that one.

 

[varwoche]

We are not talking about criminal punishment, but about whether the actions render somebody unfit to serve in an office as high as senator.
IMHO both have done so.
Now criminal charges are a different story (thought I know that the statute of limitations has ran out on what Moore is accused of)

When a person does something bad/immoral/unethical, and they acknowledge what they did, and express remorse for what they did, I don't think they need to lose their job, depending on the particulars. I believe in redemption (non religious).

Quite unlike Moore, Franken owned his behavior, and I hope he isn't run out of office.

 

[logger]

Is that your takeaway from what I wrote? If so, please reread my observation and consider it as a perspective.

It would be a perspective that doesn’t realize where society is with respect to these issues, obviously!

 

[logger]

When a person does something bad/immoral/unethical, and they acknowledge what they did, and express remorse for what they did, I don't think they need to lose their job, depending on the particulars. I believe in redemption (non religious).

Quite unlike Moore, Franken owned his behavior, and I hope he isn't run out of office.

Lol
Yeah, he said he was sorry!

 

[dudalb]

Jesus.

Mods can we just rename this the "Whataboutism" section of the forum?

Or the "Your're Another" section.....

 

[dudalb]

When a person does something bad/immoral/unethical, and they acknowledge what they did, and express remorse for what they did, I don't think they need to lose their job, depending on the particulars. I believe in redemption (non religious).

Quite unlike Moore, Franken owned his behavior, and I hope he isn't run out of office.

SO if someone says "I'M Sorry" he should not be punished for his behavior?
Nice.

 

[The Big Dog]

Although it is wrong, it is very likely that Tweeden has experienced a number of sexual harrassments and perhaps even assaults in her life - and very likely more than many other women her age because she is a sexy model and many men perceive her as a pin-up more than as a human being with dignity. And therefore, Ginger seems to question why Tweeden has come out to complain about Al Franken, but not about any other instances of having beem harrassed.

not kidding, literally the worst defense of slut shaming I have ever seen.

Post some NSFW pictures of the accuser to REALLY drive that point home....

 

[Oystein]

Yeah, it is not a lie because her history and her photographs have nothing to do with and do not in any way justify his conduct. Bringing them up is blatant obvious slut shaming.

SG linked the accuser's bikini pictures in this thread and I am being accused of "vile" nonsense

You badly need to drop this vile lie, it reflects disgustingly on your character.

Ginger said nothing - NOTHING!!! - about "justifying" the harrassment. You strategically missed my earlier, full explanation of how you totally misconstrue her argument.

So please stop repeating this obnoxious, clearly malevolent lie.

 

[PhantomWolf]

So it's free feelies on any woman asleep or passed out? Fascinating!

No, d4m10n is playing word games, logger said assault, though I am guessing meant sexual assault. d4m10n is pointing out that you can't actually assault an unaware person because assault is an attack that doesn't connect, but that the person that is being attack is made to believe is supposed to do harm to them. If they are unconscious, then they can't know, so it not assault.

Actually feeling up someone is different because there is real contact.

What you can take is that pretending to feel up a woman while she is asleep is not illegal. It's not right, but it's not illegal.

 

[dudalb]

This thread is herebye officially declared a Trainwreck.

 

[Oystein]

careful, pointing out that this thread contains a NSFW link to the accuser's bikini pictures for absolutely no *********** purpose whatsoever is a "vile" "lie" or something.

You even manage to misconstrue your own lie. Know no shame?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

There are a number of people on this thread I will rank as hypocrites because they have blasted...quite rightly...Moore for his actions, but are making excuses for Al Franken.

Sorry, but this "Franken is a Liberal so I will give him a Pass" B.S. won't wash......

I am pretty damn disappointed at the number of people who are basically saying "If he is on our side, let's give him a pass" in this thread.
No better then the people they condemn on the other side for doing the same thing.

Let me stop you after your third try and ask that, if you have an issue with a specific person's contribution, please...be specific. Vague, blanket denunciations (not to mention the faux quote in the second of your posts above) don't help address what you appear to claim is problematic.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I would guess you’re wrong on that one.

I wouldn't