Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny

Still in the process of reading thread, but have to voice my disgust at this horrible post (and kinda hoping or not hoping it's parody):

Hmmm, people expect an actor to kiss that, and NOT slip her the tongue?
Yes, absolutely, 100% yes.

So, we're not supposed to "slut shame",
Exactly.

but Geez, men are not eunuchs. Not even actors.
Men are not slaves of their penises. Or are you?
 
FYI....

Coservatives need to shut the **** up about sexual assault and let liberals take care of this. You people lost that right when you voted trump in.
 
I had to think about this. What about frat boys drawing dicks on each other's faces when they sleep? When guys do this kind of stuff to guys, I don't view it the same way as when guys do this to women. Guy-on-guy harassment is more of a prank.
Man, some of the stuff my brother showed me while he was at a prestigious military academy made me very uncomfortable . . . I'm in the camp that such behavior is also sexual harassment and shouldn't happen. The difference is that it seems to be an accepted part of the culture in such environments; nobody seems bothered by it and can appreciate the pranks as the jokes they are intended to be. But I'd be willing to bet that it makes some of the guys it happens to uncomfortable. In this case, it's clear that Tweeden did not view it as a joke.

Probably because I believe rape culture is real and every woman I know has a story about being harassed/attacked/groped, etc.
I never really accepted the rape culture idea but, Jesus . . . I think I have to rethink my naive view of the world.
 
Just use the sliding scale of sexual assault works every time:thumbsup:

Whether you like it or not, there is a sliding scale. Pretending to grope someone while they are asleep is a much lesser offence than pinning them to the ground and forcing parts of your body inside theirs. Our Justice Systems agree on this, otherwise there wouldn't be both graduated laws and sentencing, rather everyone would be charged under the same law and get the exact same sentence.
 
FYI....

Coservatives need to shut the **** up about sexual assault and let liberals take care of this. You people lost that right when you voted trump in.

Luckily, you never had the right to demand that people "shut the **** up."
 
Elevatorgate involved a man who asked a woman to come back to his room. She declined. He did not force the issue, grope her or pursue any action beyond that. No harassment there, just a dude that got shot down.

Franken wrote a skit that included a kiss. He then insisted on a practice session. Why would the practice session need a real kiss? Actors talk with each other about what is acceptable in these kinds of scenes; there is consent. Marlon Brando did not obtain consent from Maria Schneider for what he was about to do to her in "Last Tango in Paris," and I'm sure you can see why that was a problem. While obviously not on the scale of the "Paris" scene, essentially the same thing happened here; Franken did not obtain consent for a real kiss from Tweeden and she did not like it. Then he took a picture pretending to grab her boobs while she was sleeping.

Now, I wouldn't go so far as to call Franken a monster. But his behavior is on the same spectrum as any other sexual harasser in the history of sexual harassment. You can argue that this was minor sexual harassment if you want to. I argue that any sexual harassment is unacceptable.

Moore? He should drop out of the race. Trump? He never should have been elected. O'Reilley and Ailes? Already given the boot and with good reason. Franken? It's time for him to step down.

OMG.... Hell just froze over!
 
There are a number of people on this thread I will rank as hypocrites because they have blasted...quite rightly...Moore for his actions, but are making excuses for Al Franken.
BTW the Dems in Congress seem to be playing this very well so far.
Out of curiosity, are you also keeping tabs on the people who defended, downplayed or ignored Moore, but are in here clutching their pearls in righteous indignation over Franken?
 
FYI....

Coservatives need to shut the **** up about sexual assault and let liberals take care of this. You people lost that right when you voted trump in.

I am conservative and didn't vote for Trump, do I still need to shut up and lose my right to say that sexual assault is bad?
 
Out of curiosity, are you also keeping tabs on the people who defended, downplayed or ignored Moore, but are in here clutching their pearls in righteous indignation over Franken?

Yes, but they are in fewer numbers here then the Franken supporters.

And this is about as good an example of "What Aboutism" as I have seen.
 
We've seen it all before, with Bill Clinton back in the 1990s. "If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park you never know what you'll find."

The good news is that Franken's not Bubba and this isn't the 1990s, so it looks like he should get ready for life under the bus, because he's about to get thrown under it.

Yup.
And I suspect, one way or another, Roy Moore will join him there.
 
You will have to elaborate because I've heard nothing similar from Moore's defenders. They seem to think that he is being framed by the Liberal media. Does anyone here think Franken is being framed?





Someone said the punishment should be the same. Which is a stark black and white mentality that does not belong in justice. It ignores all the messy nuance and context of the real world.

We are not talking about criminal punishment, but about whether the actions render somebody unfit to serve in an office as high as senator.
IMHO both have done so.
Now criminal charges are a different story (thought I know that the statute of limitations has ran out on what Moore is accused of)
 
Well I am talking about criminal charges. I think Moore should be in prison the way Weiner currently is and I don't think Franken should be.
 
Well I am talking about criminal charges. I think Moore should be in prison the way Weiner currently is and I don't think Franken should be.

Agreed, but we are talking not about criminal charges but about fitness for Public Office. I think what Franken did was bad enough so that he should no longer serve in the US Senate. You can do thing that are not illegal but are bad enough so your career as an elected official should be over.
And there is also it would make the Dems look like total hypocrites when they go after Moore.
ANyway, Franken is going to be tossed under the bus by the Democrats.one way or the other.
 
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And,unless new recent accusers come forth,Roy Moore is not going to jail. The statute of Limitations has ran out on the crimes he could be accused of.
 
So far the liberals taking care of it consist of blatant slut shaming and whataboutism.

So. ....
 
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Lots of references to "the woman" with people not deigning to actually use her name, even when they were linking to "the woman's" bikini shots.....

Dehumanize, shame, deny...

Real eye opener here....

While I think that Ginger's arguments are biased and kinda miss the mark, you keep misconstruing them badly.

Ginger certainly did not shame Tweeden by referencing her well-known career in being a sexy model, as in "shame on the victim, she had it coming".

The argument is rather this: Although it is wrong, it is very likely that Tweeden has experienced a number of sexual harrassments and perhaps even assaults in her life - and very likely more than many other women her age because she is a sexy model and many men perceive her as a pin-up more than as a human being with dignity. And therefore, Ginger seems to question why Tweeden has come out to complain about Al Franken, but not about any other instances of having beem harrassed.

Again, I don't think that argument hits a worthy mark (there may be many reasons - perhaps there really were no other incidence worth telling; perhaps no other incidents involving significant leaders; perhaps Tweeden is only starting to come to terms with past incidents, and more will come out soon), but it is a different argument from what you have mocked, maliciously, in several posts.
 

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