Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny

TheL8Elvis said:
Can you explain how this photo would humiliated her ? I mean, she's an innocent victim ? She should be humiliated because she went to sleep, fully dressed ?

Also (anyone can answer) why hasn't this photo been circulated until she circulated it, if it was for humiliation purposes ?

Doesn't cause much humiliation hidden away from public sight does it ?

Seems like the only one humiliated here is franken ?
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If a female coworker of mine falls asleep and I take a picture of me faux-grabbing her boobs and share that picture with male coworkers but not the general public, is she not then humiliated?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I purposefully did not slut shame. But I can see why that is confusing to people. I repeat: "You would think she had a gazillion worse complaints to be made." "I most certainly don't believe if you are a model or waitress at Hooters it is expected of you to be groped."
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Link to NSFW photo spread, state that her history as playboy model and hooters waitress is "Relevant, I hate to go for the history thing, it's not always fair. But this does seem at least a little relevant."

But not attempting to slut shame, just finds it relevant, plus she probably got groped all the time, plus one little groping and forcing a tongue down her throat is not a "pattern" and thus not a "real complaint."

wow...
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You do have to wonder how this stands out in her mind as the quintessential sexual harassment when clearly it must have been common in her life. You would think she had a gazillion worse complaints to be made.

Link is NSFW.
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Actually, I've been to photo shoots with similarly clad models and the level of respect the talent is shown on such shoots was off the charts. The photographer wouldn't let anyone on the set he didn't approve and it was clear that anything that distracted the model in any way would not be tolerated. It may have helped that the photographer was an amateur body builder, but still I think your view of how models are treated may be off a bit.

Still she likely has to put up with the same amount of ******** that all women have to put up with. Maybe this is the worst she has had to deal with, or maybe this is the worse she has had to deal with from someone she didn't feel comfortable slapping across the face.
 
xjx388 said:
If a female coworker of mine falls asleep and I take a picture of me faux-grabbing her boobs and share that picture with male coworkers but not the general public, is she not then humiliated?
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IDK, no ?

I'm asking why it's humiliating. Not for you to describe the same thing and tell me again, it's humiliating.

But, I give you credit for a more accurate description of " faux-grabbing "
 
There are a number of people on this thread I will rank as hypocrites because they have blasted...quite rightly...Moore for his actions, but are making excuses for Al Franken.
BTW the Dems in Congress seem to be playing this very well so far.
 
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xjx388 said:
If a female coworker of mine falls asleep and I take a picture of me faux-grabbing her boobs and share that picture with male coworkers but not the general public, is she not then humiliated?
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Not if she worked at Hooters, and it has to be a pattern, so you seem to be good.

Reelect Al Franken
 
Franken called for an ethics probe of himself.

I really think that sort of ends this for now. He, at least, seems to think that at worst this was a one off incident.

Lost in all this is that as a politician he has been firmly on the side of women. That counts for something. Is a politician who has one incident but will protect women's issues better than a politician with no incidents but will definitely make birth control and abortion illegal? That's the rub in the larger picture.
 
I am sure women will be glad to hear that men have developed a sliding scale of sexual assault
 
PhantomWolf said:
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And if there are, then they would be just as wrong.
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It's as common as dirt. It's what people do when they live together in groups. They joke around.

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I totally disagree, in fact I say it's the exact opposite. If you say, "oh that was just messing around," to the small stuff, then it's too easy to slide the scale of "messing around" upwards. Where does "messing around" become "assault"? When you give licence to the little stuff, then you devalue the bigger stuff because people slowly get immune to it. Pretending to grope is okay goes to actual groping being okay, then pulling off tops being okay, and so on. When you say, zero tolerance, then the "messing around" is not okay and by extend anything worse is darn well not okay.

Think about this for a moment. If it wasn't for the whole "locker-room talk" thing with Trump, do you think there would even be a question as it if felling up a 14-year old was acceptable currently?

The way to stamp this out is to not be accepting of any of it, regardless of how "just messing around" it might be.
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'Grabbing pussy because they let you' is not 'locker room talk'. That was Trump's excuse for his behavior, denying it was true.

I'm sorry, I just can't agree that every little offense taken is on that scale you speak of.

Don't get on an elevator if there is a lone woman on it lest you frighten her.
 
xjx388 said:
If a female coworker of mine falls asleep and I take a picture of me faux-grabbing her boobs and share that picture with male coworkers but not the general public, is she not then humiliated?
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I think you have to include which political party you support to help people decide.
 
Alright pop quiz.

You are a member of Side A. Someone from Side A has been accused of doing something "bad" by someone from Side B. Please choose the appropriate response.

A. Immediately list off everything you can think of that anyone from Side B has ever done wrong.

B. Argue that whatever this person from Side A did it's not as bad as some of the stuff people from Side B have done.

C. Figure out what insult that people from Side B like to use against Side A and use this against them, regardless of it makes any sense in context.

D. Ask them if they are worried about this why weren't they worried about some unrelated "bad" thing that someone from their side did.

E. Go find any example of someone from Side B doing the same or similar "bad" thing.

F. Actually discuss the actual issue in any meaningful way on any meaningful level.
 
Travis said:
Franken called for an ethics probe of himself.

I really think that sort of ends this for now. He, at least, seems to think that at worst this was a one off incident.

Lost in all this is that as a politician he has been firmly on the side of women. That counts for something. Is a politician who has one incident but will protect women's issues better than a politician with no incidents but will definitely make birth control and abortion illegal? That's the rub in the larger picture.
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Is a politician who has one incident but will protect women's issues better than a politician with no incidents but will protect women's issues?

Trick question! the person with one incident does not have any incidents because it has to be a pattern.

Now for something else relevant, here is a picture of the woman in a bikini:

Makes you think, huh?
 
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
I think you have to include which political party you support to help people decide.
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Seriously the number of people who can't fire off a neuron until they have the proper context as to how this effects the "Us V Them" political scoresheet tab they have open in their heads every waking second would be funny if it wasn't so damaging to both our discourse and our society.
 
I think that what Franken is accused of doing is NOT as bad as what Moore did.
But it's bad enough so that his political career should end.
 
dudalb said:
I think that what Franken is accused of doing is NOT as bad as what Moore did.
But it's bad enough so that his political career should end.
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And a reasonable person can't disagree that his political career should end ?
 
JoeBentley said:
Seriously the number of people who can't fire off a neuron until they have the proper context as to how this effects the "Us V Them" political scoresheet tab they have open in their heads every waking second would be funny if it wasn't so damaging to both our discourse and our society.
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I am pretty damn disappointed at the number of people who are basically saying "If he is on our side, let's give him a pass" in this thread.
No better then the people they condemn on the other side for doing the same thing.
 
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