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Minoosh said:
That article calls him a Wanted Terrorist and Militant Islamist (the gratuitous italics and capital letters don't encourage me to give her impartiality points). Yes, he's "wanted" - by Erdogan - and his reputation is as a very moderate Islamist (actually pretty much a secularist, with some Muslim values). Also, yes, he has an affiliated chain of charter schools, but lots of people run charter schools. In my state they focus on science. They do offer Turkish as the foreign language of choice, and while that may be cruel I don't think it's criminal.

Nothing in that article leaves me knowing more about the basis of Gulen purported transgressions. He's Erdogan's Trotsky, as far as I can tell. Just the enemy. Someone with whom Erdogan had a falling out, possibly because he's more popular than Erdogan.
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She certainly isn't impartial when it comes to Mueller as he is the one who "classified" her so much with gag orders that even the knowledge of the languages she speaks could officially endanger "national security". Recommendation repeated: read her book.

The article establishes that there are or were FBI investigations against the Gulen network that never led to anything, and I think sufficiently that there's indeed a conflict of interest of Mueller investigating Flynn over these things (which have again nothing to do with the great Trump-Putin conspiracy to steal Killary her deserved presidency).

That's why I posted it. I don't know better sources on the Gulen network and don't doubt that Erdogan uses him as convenient Immanuel Goldstein.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
That's nonsense and not her story at all. You should read her book "Classified woman", it's essential (more to the "deep state" than to 9/11).
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Really?
The Wiki page on her, written apparently by ardent fans, summerizes thusly:
WP said:
In April 2004, Edmonds claimed she had provided information to the panel investigating the September 11 attacks in February that year. Although she started work shortly after 9/11 and worked for just over six months, she claimed knowledge of information circulating within the FBI during spring and summer of 2001. The session was closed and over three hours long, she said. Reportedly, she told the commission that the FBI knew of a planned attack months away and the terrorists were in place. She stated, "There was general information about the time-frame, about methods to be used but not specifically about how they would be used and about people being in place and who was ordering these sorts of terror attacks. There were other cities that were mentioned. Major cities with skyscrapers."[12]
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And that Reference [12] is an article by The Independent where the headline is an Edmonds quote:

'I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes'

That was in 2004.

Her book came out 8 years later. Perhaps she changed her story in those 8 years - that would not improve her credibility, would it?

One more quote from the article:
The Independent said:
She said said it was clear there was sufficient information during the spring and summer of 2001 to indicate terrorists were planning an attack.
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And her is a review of her book "Classified woman" by The American Conservative - another reference from the Wiki article:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/sibel-edmondss-secrets/
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TAC said:
Edmonds’s tale is basically about high level incompetence at the FBI both before and after 9/11 ...

Perhaps more disturbing, Edmonds describes a number of failures to appreciate significant intelligence that might have enabled the government to foil 9/11 ...

Edmonds reports how the translation of a telephone intercept that she was reviewing for accuracy apparently referred to 9/11, though its importance had not been noted by her predecessor. The conversation took place in Pakistan in July 2001 involving two men talking about obtaining blueprints for buildings and bridges, clearly part of the planning for the actual attacks. ...

And then there was the case of an Iranian source who reported in the spring and summer of 2001 very specific information that Osama bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack against the United States using planes. As the summer waned, he reported that the attack was imminent and asked, “Are they going to do something about it?” They didn’t, and then covered it up to conceal the failure. There were also French intelligence sources providing names of the terrorists preparing to stage the attacks and other reports that the Pakistani intelligence service, ISI, was somehow either involved or had knowledge of what was about to occur. There was no follow-up anywhere due to sheer incompetence ...
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In short: Exactly what I said.
 
GRASSLEY: To be very clear, you intend to recuse yourself from both the Clinton e-mail investigation and any matters involving the Clinton Foundation, if there are any?

SESSIONS: Yes.

Ten days after President Trump said that he was frustrated with the Justice Department for not investigating Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, the Justice Department told Congress on Monday that senior prosecutors were looking into whether a special counsel should be appointed to investigate them.

The prosecutors will examine reports of misconduct at the Clinton Foundation and the Obama administration’s 2010 decision to allow a Russian nuclear energy agency to acquire much of the United States’ uranium, among other matters, according to a letter sent to the House Judiciary Committee from a senior Justice Department official on Monday.

“These senior prosecutors will report directly to the attorney general and the deputy attorney general, as appropriate, and will make recommendations as to whether any matters not currently under investigation should be opened, whether any matters currently under investigation require further resources, or whether any matters merit a special counsel,” said the senior official, Stephen E. Boyd, an assistant attorney general.
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Childlike Empress said:
^See edit of my post. Misread what you wrote.
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Ok, better.

I did not claim it is the essence of her story, but her story is still in conflict with the beliefs of most truthers, who refuse to accept that terrorists flying planes into buildings is actually how the attacks were done. No fly-over, no remote control, no demolition, no nukes, no holograms, no space rays, no thermite, no nonsense.
 
Childlike Empress said:
The answer is in your post. My view is not a US-American view. It is a global view.
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That makes it even worse. You ought to be able to see the absolute incompetence and corruption better from afar than up close. And you should also be in a better position to see the negative effects to the world from beyond American soil. Shame on you.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Well, I guess if you're that deep into a topic, it goes without saying that the founder and godfather of the agency wasn't "just a director", but yes, that was sloppily worded. Took you almost the whole article to find something to complain about I see, though. ;)
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Sloppy, faulty logic. Just because what he complained about is at the end of the article does NOT mean that that was the first thing he found to complain about. Maybe he found so much to complain about that he just picked the last one read.
 
SezMe said:
That makes it even worse. You ought to be able to see the absolute incompetence and corruption better from afar than up close. And you should also be in a better position to see the negative effects to the world from beyond American soil. Shame on you.
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SezMe said:
Aha! I knew that name was familiar somehow.
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SezMe said:
Sloppy, faulty logic. Just because what he complained about is at the end of the article does NOT mean that that was the first thing he found to complain about. Maybe he found so much to complain about that he just picked the last one read.
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pgwenthold said:
That nomination has not reached the full senate, though, right? There HAS to be 3 non-idiot Republicans in the senate, right?

Flake, McCain and .... someone?

This is not a political issue at all. This is one of competency.
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It has all become so partisan and politicised that it is now a political issue. Any failure to get the candidate appointed is viewed as a failure for the Trump Administration and successes are thin on the ground.

Unless there are specific disqualifying factors (like the person is too young or is shown to know George Papadopoulos really well) then regardless of qualifications or personal qualities, the GOP will force the candidates through.

Civet said:
That one was strange to me. It's not as if there's some crippling shortage of conservative lawyers. In all seriousness I could dig up a well-credentialed, highly experienced conservative lawyer in an afternoon.
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Sounds like a personal favour being repaid to me.
 
The Don said:
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Unless there are specific disqualifying factors (like the person is too young or is shown to know George Papadopoulos really well) then regardless of qualifications or personal qualities, the GOP will force the candidates through.

Sounds like a personal favour being repaid to me.
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I waited 12 hours for someone to mention this, so maybe it's in one of yesterdays posts upthread... have you seen who his wife is? :rolleyes:

Honest to gawd... I define the words "drain" and "swamp" very differently than this administration. :mad:
 
Jim_MDP said:
I waited 12 hours for someone to mention this, so maybe it's in one of yesterdays posts upthread... have you seen who his wife is? :rolleyes:

Honest to gawd... I define the words "drain" and "swamp" very differently than this administration. :mad:
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That's something he "forgot" to mention to the Senate. Kind of like Sessions forgetting all about meeting with Papadopolous about Russia.
 
BobTheCoward said:
This is the only criterion. If I own X, and I hire someone to manage X, I want managing X in my interests to be the sole endeavor.
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That's fine, if you own it
D Trump does NOT own the United States. Personal loyalty to the person is a disqualifier if that loyalty comes before loyalty to the country.

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Donald Trump's tweet 11:34 pm
The latest shooting spree was in California.

May God be with the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas. The FBI and Law Enforcement has arrived.
11:34 PM - 14 Nov 2017
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I think it is still up, too.

Yep, still there.
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