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Gratitude, Compulsion, Idiocy or Nobility?

Plenty of natural things cause cancer. What is your point?

Which basically natural cause cancer?

However, I an surprised after reading many articles on cooking that Inspite cooking started by humans around 2 million years back but still not become fully natural since showing many serious adverse effects. Now I am bit suspicious, whether basic nature can be comparable exactly to evolutionary changes or not or basic nature just hold the monopoly.
 
Which basically natural cause cancer?
Lots of things. Here's just one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_radon

Radon (/ˈreɪdɒn/) is a radioactive, colorless, odorless, tasteless noble gas, occurring naturally as the decay product of radium.

[...]

According to a 2003 report EPA's Assessment of Risks from Radon in Homes from the United States Environmental Protection Agency, epidemiological evidence shows a clear link between lung cancer and high concentrations of radon, with 21,000 radon-induced U.S. lung cancer deaths per year—second only to cigarette smoking.[3]
 
You may be interested in reading following links of National Cancer Institute about cooked foods even when cooking became secondary natural. Horrible:

Odds about Non-veg cooking
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet
Odds about veg cooking.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/acrylamide-fact-sheet

With Equanimity. :)
This is your half-witted thread about animal behaviour, not your half-witted thread about disease
 
This is your half-witted thread about animal behaviour, not your half-witted thread about disease

We need to check, how behaviour of those beings is justified? If they can't be used without cooking and if cooking can be so much harmful then they may just be useless or even harming. Then why?
 
Do you really believe that just because a story is old and has been written down, it must be true? Please answer this question and not some other one.

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This is not casual question. You rightly asked to sit and think. I gave two awnsers since one side awnser is not possible.

1. Can be: yes if any old recorded story is an expression and propagation to basic nature.

2. Can not be: No if that old recorded story is not as above.

It will match, to our finding about cooking i.e inspite of about 2 million old, it is still has odds, means, couldn't yet become fully natural at par to basic nature.
 
Yes, but I do not, how much it is natural and how much man-caused:
The link makes it clear that this a naturally occurring gas, produced by naturally occurring radioactive elements in the earth's crust.

The quote you've cherry picked from the article is irrelevant.

Naturally occurring radon gas is responsible for 21,000 deaths from lung cancer every year in the US alone.
 
The link makes it clear that this a naturally occurring gas, produced by naturally occurring radioactive elements in the earth's crust.

The quote you've cherry picked from the article is irrelevant.

Naturally occurring radon gas is responsible for 21,000 deaths from lung cancer every year in the US alone.
Naturally occuring, should be, not in anyway assaulted, distúrbed and intervenéd by humans. Is it so? Since you provided thís link, it is not cherry picked. If so then link on nature balance which I próvided but you raised cherry picked part, will also be in same boat.
 
Which basically natural cause cancer?

I live in Utah. I'm surrounded by uranium ore and deprived of a couple thousand meters of air that would otherwise prevent cosmic radiation from reaching me. Those are natural causes of cancer that have nothing to do with whether I'm kind to animals.

Once again, you're cherry-picking science. You point out that cooking has negative effects without determining whether they are still outweighed by the positive effects. The difference in your approach is that between someone who is looking for the empirically testable truth and someone just looking to confirm his religious beliefs.

A staple here in this part of the United States is the potato. Normally I prefer vegetables raw just for the taste. But you can't really eat a potato raw. It will make you sick. If you cook the potato, you can eat it. And not only is it a regional specialty here, it's a staple food for most of western civilization. The ability to cultivate and eat the potato is a major evolutionary success factor that vastly outweighs the consequences of cooking it.
 
Not to mention the advantage of cooking meat rather than risk eating putrid meat.

There are several other "natural" foods that are poisonous when raw. For example Cassava root.

Hans
 
This is not casual question.

You are the one who simplified it. You are the one who told us the life of Mahavira was documented sufficiently that its authenticity could not be rationally disputed. I'm asking you questions designed to determine the standard of proof that applies to that statement.

1. Can be: yes if any old recorded story is an expression and propagation to basic nature.

2. Can not be: No if that old recorded story is not as above.

And as usual your standard of proof boils down to whether you already agree with it. Do you understand that your argument is no more powerful than simply stating the origin story of Jainism and demanding that people accept it without question? How is that not just pimping your religion? From the point of view of someone who doesn't already believe your religion, there's nothing "basic nature" about it. It's just Hindu mysticism, which is just a fairy tale.

And when I said "written down," that's really being charitable to the Mahavira story, which was handed down by an oral tradition, not a written one. So you're already several steps behind, say, the Jews, whose scriptures are just as old as your religion, but they had the foresight to write them down and institute a textual apparatus to prevent corruption over time due to copyists' errors. And you seem to be entirely sidestepping the fact that there are two different camps of Jains, and that one of the things that separate them is a belief about the integrity of Jain scripture. Some Jains believe that a famine long ago wiped out enough of the Jain clergy that Mahavira's teachings did not survive entirely -- an understandable problem if you rely on oral transmission. Are you really going to maintain the infallibility of the Mahavira story when that's not even a belief shared by all the people who follow him?

I understand that you're desperate to place Jainism above criticism, but you simply aren't going to get there on this forum by consistently misrepresenting the facts and continually preaching from the point of view that your religion is self-evidently correct. This may be the religion forum, but it's the religion forum of a skeptical web site. You don't get to demand that your preaching can't be questioned on logical, scientific, or factual grounds. That never goes away.
 
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This is not casual question. You rightly asked to sit and think. I gave two awnsers since one side awnser is not possible.

1. Can be: yes if any old recorded story is an expression and propagation to basic nature.

2. Can not be: No if that old recorded story is not as above.

It will match, to our finding about cooking i.e inspite of about 2 million old, it is still has odds, means, couldn't yet become fully natural at par to basic nature.

Your answer was unnecessarily vague and evasive because it's very clear that you misunderstood the question. Jay Utah asked the question if you believe a story is true JUST because it is repeated. JUST because it is repeated (or recorded)! He did not ask the abundantly stupid question of whether a repeated story might be true. He did not ask whether any specific story is true, or why.

You repeatedly misunderstand basic ideas and questions. This is actually a one-sided question, and to answer it as if it were not is to misunderstand the question and to guarantee error. A "one side" answer is not only possible, it is necessary, if it is to be an answer at all.

Obviously a true story may be repeated, and a repeated story may be true. But a false story can also be repeated, and a repeated story may be false. Thus the answer to the question asked can only be "NO" to anyone but a manifest fool. A story cannot be shown to be true JUST because it is repeated. If you come up with any other answer you are mistaken.

e.t.a. apologies for using "repeated" here rather than "written down" or "recorded," but I think it's the same. It should be abundantly, trivially obvious that if you argue with anything anyone has ever written, you already know that the answer is, that simply writing a story down does not make it true. If the reverse were true, then every criticism others make of you would be necessarily true too, wouldn't it?

I repeat, this was not an ambiguous question. It is supremely important, I think, that you take the time to understand this, because thinking about it correctly might bear on one's understanding of other, basic, scientific ideas. If a single instance occurs of a repeated story being false, the answer to that question can only be one thing. Reread that sentence again until you understand what I just said. The question was about whether repetition alone makes a story true. If a single instance exists of a repeated story being false, the question is, necessarily, answered. Any answer but the negative is a mistake.
 
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Not to mention the advantage of cooking meat rather than risk eating putrid meat.

There are several other "natural" foods that are poisonous when raw. For example Cassava root.

Hans

Yes but main question can be, why to take those pros and cons if alternatives are available?
 
Yes.


You cherry picked a single sentence from the link I provided which was irrelevant to the point being discussed.

It can be the long discussions beyond the scope of this topic. Other time. Btw, instead of it why you have not prefered simple sunlight example?
 
I live in Utah. I'm surrounded by uranium ore and deprived of a couple thousand meters of air that would otherwise prevent cosmic radiation from reaching me. Those are natural causes of cancer that have nothing to do with whether I'm kind to animals.

Once again, you're cherry-picking science. You point out that cooking has negative effects without determining whether they are still outweighed by the positive effects. The difference in your approach is that between someone who is looking for the empirically testable truth and someone just looking to confirm his religious beliefs.

A staple here in this part of the United States is the potato. Normally I prefer vegetables raw just for the taste. But you can't really eat a potato raw. It will make you sick. If you cook the potato, you can eat it. And not only is it a regional specialty here, it's a staple food for most of western civilization. The ability to cultivate and eat the potato is a major evolutionary success factor that vastly outweighs the consequences of cooking it.
Whether that effect is due to indoor living and due to mining?
Yes, just for taste, we have to accept pros and cons otherwise we should also be having option of just pros.
We need to better check it for becoming irony,-- iron excess, colon cancer and other odds. Yes but Potato n other root crops are discouraged in Jainism.
 
Whether that effect is due to indoor living and due to mining?

I didn't say anything about indoor versus outdoor living. Anyone who lives in mountainous country is more susceptible to radiation from space, and hence has a higher cancer rate, than people who live at sea level. This is a natural cause of cancer. What are you talking about with respect to indoor living?

As for uranium, some of it is subsurface and some of it is just lying on the ground. Chunks of yellow uranium ore are a natural feature of our landscape. Again, this is a natural source of radiation and therefore a natural source of cancer.

Your insinuation that cancer arises only from bad human behavior is not factually correct. There are natural causes for cancer.

Yes, just for taste, we have to accept pros and cons otherwise we should also be having option of just pros.

It's not a matter simply of taste. Potatoes will make you sick if you eat them raw. Many foods that we are able to consume via cooking would make us sick or kill us if we ate them raw. Cooking is a net evolutionary advantage.

Yes but Potato n other root crops are discouraged in Jainism.

How nice it must be to have that luxury. Elsewhere they are important sources of food.
 

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