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Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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As far as I can judge, some Russians "close to the Kremlin" and paying in roubles planted at least one article on Facebook saying that sixty percent of army veterans in Texas disapproved of Clinton. That might be true for all we know. That doesn't mean that anybody who talked to a Russian has to be arrested by the FBI.

I fully appreciate that communism is illegal in America. You no longer get Paul Robeson singing the Russian national anthem. Putin isn't a communist. My own opinion is that both Trump and Clinton are only interested in furthering the interests of the extremely rich and that Bernie Sanders had the right idea.
 
Henri McPhee said:
As far as I can judge, some Russians "close to the Kremlin" and paying in roubles planted at least one article on Facebook saying that sixty percent of army veterans in Texas disapproved of Clinton. That might be true for all we know. That doesn't mean that anybody who talked to a Russian has to be arrested by the FBI.
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This is stupid and incredibly ignorant. Do you honestly know nothing about what has happened in the past week?
 
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magellan said:
And he is not blaming russia when he says they are "weaponizing refugees" and "drive" them?
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No, you don't get off that easy. You said, "Obviously a lie, if time is linear," implying that the "lie" was that Russia was the initial cause of the refugee crisis, which I've never heard anyone claim. You were asked to explain why you prefer to believe the Russians concerning things you obviously know very little about, but no explanation is necessary, really.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
This is stupid and incredibly ignorant. Do you honestly know nothing about what has happened in the past week?
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Well, if you want an example of blatant spin doctoring... that was a fine example.

Thankfully, the opinion that anyone should be arrested for simply talking to a Russian is not one that's held by pretty much anyone. On the other hand, it's... interesting, in a bad way, to see how much of the pro-Trump crowd seems to have rather incredible double standards on the general topic of crime. A Democrat as President or potential President? Any whiff of potential wrongdoing and slavering hounds need to be released. A Republican President? Clear and demonstrable wrongdoing gets handwaved away for reasons that somehow don't apply to Democrats.
 
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magellan said:
o.O

A US general testifying before congress is no longer a US source?
Because he is also SACEUR? (Btw: He's USEUCOM too)

And he is not blaming russia when he says they are "weaponizing refugees" and "drive" them?

Ok. I'm done here. Be sure to get the champagne for when Manafort is hit with the full extent of the law and has to pay 10.000$ for failing to register as a foreign agent.
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You're not going to answer the question, are you?
 
Leaked Documents Show Wilbur Ross Concealed Ties to Putin Cronies

Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary in the Trump administration, shares business interests with Vladimir Putin’s immediate family, and he failed to clearly disclose those interests when he was being confirmed for his cabinet position.

Ross — a billionaire industrialist — retains an interest in a shipping company, Navigator Holdings, that was partially owned by his former investment company. One of Navigator’s most important business relationships is with a Russian energy firm controlled, in turn, by Putin’s son-in-law and other members of the Russian president’s inner circle.

Some of the details of Ross’s continuing financial holdings — much of which were not disclosed during his confirmation process — are revealed in a trove of more than 7 million internal documents of Appleby, a Bermuda-based law firm, that was leaked to the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung. The documents consist of emails, presentations and other electronic data. These were then shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists — a global network that won the Pulitzer Prize this year for its work on the Panama Papers — and its international media partners. NBC News was given access to some of the leaked documents, which the ICIJ calls the “Paradise Papers.”
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NoahFence said:
Flynn and Son next?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...ce-to-charge-flynn-son-nbc-idUSKBN1D50VE?il=0

To be honest I've always assumed Reuters as being completely non-partisan but I'm sure the peanut gallery will be here soon to explain away this nothingburger. Well, those that don't reneg on bets at least.
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Given the publicly available evidence, I suspect that Mueller already has the indictments -- there are four sealed cases on the DC court docket between the numbers for Manafort, Gates, and Papadopoulos -- but I'd guess that Mueller is still trying to work a deal with them. We may yet find out why Trump was so attached to Flynn even after being warned of him being compromised, and why he was so afraid of what Comey's investigation would find. (ETA: Given Trump's obsession with denying it, I'd bet a lot of money that it has something to do with Russian "collusion." Any takers?)
 
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WilliamSeger said:
Given the publicly available evidence, I suspect that Mueller already has the indictments -- there are four sealed cases on the DC court docket between the numbers for Manafort, Gates, and Papadopoulos -- but I'd guess that Mueller is still trying to work a deal with them. We may yet find out why Trump was so attached to Flynn even after being warned of him being compromised, and why he was so afraid of what Comey's investigation would find. (ETA: Given Trump's obsession with denying it, I'd bet a lot of money that it has something to do with Russian "collusion." Any takers?)
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If it is collusion, that wouldn't be enough to prove that was why.trump was so concerned.
 
A top member of Donald Trump's administration has business links with Russian allies of President Vladimir Putin who are under US sanctions, the Paradise Papers have revealed.
Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross has an interest in Navigator Holdings, which earns millions a year transporting oil and gas for Russian energy firm Sibur.

A commerce department spokesman did not dispute the revelations.
"Secretary Ross recuses himself from any matters focused on transoceanic shipping vessels," the spokesman told BBC Panorama, adding that the secretary "works closely with Commerce Department ethics officials to ensure the highest ethical standards".
 
More nothing here.

Documents released last week as part of Papadopoulos’s guilty plea show that Mueller’s team is deeply interested in the Trump campaign’s operations, including possible links to Moscow, at even the lowest levels. And Mueller’s interest in Russian contacts may extend to Trump’s business, as well, with the special counsel’s office recently asking for records related to a failed 2015 proposal for a Moscow Trump Tower, according to a person familiar with the request.

A key question in the investigation — and one that hangs over Trump’s presidency — is whether these instances add up to a concerted Russian government effort to probe and infiltrate the Trump campaign, or whether they were isolated coincidences and, therefore, inconsequential. Ultimately, Mueller must decide whether anyone in Trump’s orbit coordinated with the Russians, and, if so, if such actions were illegal or just unseemly. Collusion itself is not a crime.

The new court filings, along with recent interviews and other documents reviewed by The Washington Post, reveal more details than were previously known about the extent to which Trump’s campaign became a magnet for people who believed U.S. policy toward Russia should be retooled--and for Russians who agreed.

In all, documents and interviews show there are at least nine Trump associates who had contacts with Russians during the campaign or presidential transition. Some are well-known, and others, such as Papadopoulos, have been more on the periphery.
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At least nine associates in contact with Russia during the campaign and looking at the tower deal.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
This is stupid and incredibly ignorant. Do you honestly know nothing about what has happened in the past week?
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Wilbur Ross, Trump's billionaire Commerce Secretary is in league with a Russian Energy company called Sibur, which has two of Putin's pals who are on a U.S. sanctions list, and has Putin's son-in-law as major shareholders. He categorically denies having spoken to any Russian, or being involved in tax avoidance. It's a bit like Murdoch was said once to arrange his tax affairs in the Dutch Antilles to avoid paying tax.

These Russian oligarchs benefited from the corrupt privatisations in Russia under Yeltsin. It's a wonder that the Russian people are not annoyed about it.

Personally, I think it was Jewish pressure that installed Trump in the hope that Trump would break the treaty and agreement with Iran, and go to war with Israel's enemy, Iran, because Trump is in the pay of Saudi Arabia and Goldman Sachs, and Netanyahu was in serious disagreement with Obama and Clinton and the Democrats. The Russians then get blamed for everything.
 
Henri McPhee said:
Wilbur Ross, Trump's billionaire Commerce Secretary is in league with a Russian Energy company called Sibur, which has two of Putin's pals who are on a U.S. sanctions list, and has Putin's son-in-law as major shareholders. He categorically denies having spoken to any Russian
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I'm sure he'd deny ever speaking to a human if he thought the reverse would get him into trouble.

Personally, I think it was Jewish pressure that installed Trump in the hope that Trump would break the treaty and agreement with Iran, and go to war with Israel's enemy, Iran, because Trump is in the pay of Saudi Arabia and Goldman Sachs, and Netanyahu was in serious disagreement with Obama and Clinton and the Democrats.
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Why not the reptilians, while you're at it?

You do know that Trump was elected, right?
 
Take it with a big grain of salt, as this is unsolicited "testimony", but:

A Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump’s oldest son last year says he indicated that a law targeting Russia could be re-examined if his father won the election and asked her for written evidence that illegal proceeds went to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, said in a two-and-a-half-hour interview in Moscow that she would tell these and other things to the Senate Judiciary Committee on condition that her answers be made public, something it hasn’t agreed to. She has received scores of questions from the committee, which is investigating possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. Veselnitskaya said she’s also ready -- if asked -- to testify to Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

If nothing else right now, it's a huge contradiction in both the campaign and trump jr. claims about Russia and that specific meeting.

It's just more lies. Not even shocking at this point.
 
The most dishonest, corrupt, incompetent (in many cases, anti-competent), treasonous Administration ever inflicted upon the Republic.
 
Henri McPhee said:
Personally, I think it was Jewish pressure that installed Trump in the hope that Trump would break the treaty and agreement with Iran, and go to war with Israel's enemy, Iran, because Trump is in the pay of Saudi Arabia and Goldman Sachs, and Netanyahu was in serious disagreement with Obama and Clinton and the Democrats. The Russians then get blamed for everything.
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I think it was The Russians and the Masons who installed Trump, leaving the Jews to get blamed for everything.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
as is:

Officials familiar with the process say even if the application to monitor Page included information from the dossier, it would only be after the FBI had corroborated the information through its own investigation. The officials would not say what or how much was corroborated.

We agree then that if they used the dossier, they also corroborated it.
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Well... not necessarily.

What we've got is someone who wasn't involved in this particular instance opining that they're only supposed to do that sort of thing after they've corroborated the intel.

It's a case of outlining how the process is supposed to work... which doesn't imply that this is how the process actually worked this time. It's a reasonable starting point... but it's not by itself evidence that proper procedure was followed.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Actually you were being lectured by me, I just decided to not humiliate you. You do that quite fine yourself by your expressed knowledge and schoolyard spellings. Interesting how deep the hatred for the man was planted inside you.
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plague311 said:
As interesting as how deep your love is for him? I've already told you to humiliate away. Put up or shut up.

Schoolyard spellings? Expressed knowledge? Find the posts and address them, or address both of those things in real time. If you can't, or won't, then fall of that high horse you've perched yourself on. This entire thread is littered with links to your bias media and propaganda garbage you try to pass off as legitimate sources. That's not the way you should act, childlike.

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Get a room.

plague311 already admitted error, so let's move on. Why is this still being argued about?
 
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