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Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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Childlike Empress said:
I really had to read this drivel several times to get what you're even complaining about.
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Waaaaaaaah ? I would think you would be happy someone bothered to read the drivel you linked to.

Childlike Empress said:
So, first, it wasn't CNN saying "we know", but CNN citing an anonymous source.
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Right, so one your boi cites CNN citing an anonymous source, you can't go lauding your boi. See how that works ?


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Which, second, says that "it (the FBI) would" only use that piss dossier information after corroboration, but not what and how much (and how) it was corroborated, according to CNN, while Szamuely writes that "if the FBI ... presented unverified material" it would be serious business. So ... so what? Where's the dishonesty?
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Leaving out the part where the article straight up claimed the FBI would not use uncorroborated/unverified information. So JAQing off with quesitons like "gee what if ...." when told they would not do that is plainly a dishonest attempt to mislead the reader the FBI used the dossier and nothing else.
 
Lewandowski and Kellyanne Conway use the same interview technique: Talk as fast and loud as they can without taking a breath as they spew out talking points sidestepping the questions they are asked.

Lewandowski is on MTP with Chuck Todd doing just that and Todd does a lousy job of stopping him or getting any real answers about Russian interference and the campaign.

I'm beginning to really appreciate Stephanie Ruhle's (MSNBC) style of interviewing these twerps, she just calls them out, cuts them off, she's better than Chris Matthews ever was.
 
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Leaving out the part where the article straight up claimed the FBI would not use uncorroborated/unverified information. So JAQing off with quesitons like "gee what if ...." when told they would not do that is plainly a dishonest attempt to mislead the reader the FBI used the dossier and nothing else.
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Gee, what if the anonymous source CNN claims to have the info from wasn't entirely correct in their unsubstantiated claim that the FBI wouldn't use uncorroborated info? How dare the professor even allege this? Hahahaha! Oh "boi".
 
As a little punishment for the insults to everyone's intelligence on display, here is an actual Russian author writing on an actual Russian outlet today, someone who I have disagreed with in the past but is spot on here: RussiaGate: Soft Power Suicide of a Superpower

Andrew Korybko said:
The US spent decades building up its soft power reputation as “the land of the free” and portraying itself as the most “democratic” society in the world, only to have generations’ worth of soft power investments dramatically done away with over the past twelve months as the media-manufactured “RussiaGate” scandal transforms into an institutional inquisition. It’s presumed that the reader is already generally aware of what’s going on and why, namely that hostile elements of the US’ permanent military, intelligence, and diplomatic bureaucracies (the “deep state”), in full collusion with academia, the Mainstream Media, and Hollywood, are vehemently working to subvert Trump’s surprise election victory by alleging that he only won because of secretive Kremlin support.

This is a completely false narrative that’s regularly debunked every time a newly invented accusation arises, but instead of crafting a different political approach to complicate Trump’s Presidency, the Democrats and their “deep state” accomplices have continued to advance this made-up storyline, and in the process they’ve inflicted irreparable soft power damage to the US’ international prestige. The country that was once the unquestioned superpower of the world has all but committed soft power suicide in the course of only a single year by confirming the same “conspiracy theories” that it’s worked so hard to belittle in the past, thereby exposing many of its international information campaigns as lies and ultimately contradicting the very essence of “American Exceptionalism”. [...]
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If it isn't a sign of complete desperation anyway that these clowns assume that the average American is stupid enough to buy their narrative, they really should think through the "collateral damage" it does to people who aren't under the US propaganda umbrella from cradle to grave, even if it would work on the home front, in which case they wouldn't have to be so afraid of relatively low budget operations like RT in the first place.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yeah, like from donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com, which is available? :rolleyes:
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What the **** does that site being available have to do with anything? I assume you have a point somewhere in there. I don't know what it would be, but I'm sure you have a point in there somewhere.

Childlike Empress said:
Seems like a very unsophisticated attempt to reanimate an old canard.
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Again, no idea what you're talking about since neither I, nor the article say that there is any tie to a bank. Are you reading the words I'm posting? Can you parse them? Is this another attempt at being snarky that's going to fail?
 
plague311 said:
What the **** does that site being available have to do with anything? I assume you have a point somewhere in there. I don't know what it would be, but I'm sure you have a point in there somewhere.
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It's in the stuff that you posted, prominently:

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Take for example the subdomain dsfs.donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com. As with the other subdomains, no user-visible content is present here. We ran a traceroute on this subdomain to reveal the path taken by network traffic to this address. Here is what we found:
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So how did you traceroute this subdomain of a domain that is available - not in use at all? Maybe you plugged in the IPs this dubious site delivered under false pretense, and found what they wanted you to find without understanding what you are doing? Seriously, between the fat wikileaks allegations, the horrific webdesign and without even a publishing date I think you could have spared us this thing, not only try to keep a certain distance.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
It's in the stuff that you posted, prominently:




So how did you traceroute this subdomain of a domain that is available - not in use at all? Maybe you plugged in the IPs this dubious site delivered under false pretense, and found what they wanted you to find without understanding what you are doing? Seriously, between the fat wikileaks allegations, the horrific webdesign and without even a publishing date I think you could have spared us this thing, not only try to keep a certain distance.
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From where I sit, the Empress seems to have a point. I don't get any reliable info about that domain and (consequently) I can't run a traceroute on it.
 
Childlike Empress said:
So how did you traceroute this subdomain of a domain that is available - not in use at all?
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You did:

donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com

The site:

dsfs.donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com

One of these things is not like the other.

Childlike Empress said:
Maybe you plugged in the IPs this dubious site delivered under false pretense, and found what they wanted you to find without understanding what you are doing?
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Haha yup. That's got to be it. First off, I didn't use the domain address, I used the IP address that was presented in article. I did that because DNS isn't translating the subdomain. My trace brought up the exact same servers, after it left my ISP's DNS tree, that their trace did. I replicated what they said.

Childlike Empress said:
Seriously, between the fat wikileaks allegations, the horrific webdesign and without even a publishing date I think you could have spared us this thing, not only try to keep plausible deniability.
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What wikileaks allegations? That they pointed out Trump subdomains are wikileaks share the same servers to host their site? It's verifiable fact that they show in the actual article. It's something you can replicate and they literally give you the *********** commands to do it.

Your post is nothing more than an ad hominem strawman. It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
phiwum said:
From where I sit, the Empress seems to have a point. I don't get any reliable info about that domain and (consequently) I can't run a traceroute on it.
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Did you read the article?

As with the other subdomains, no user-visible content is present here.
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Like I said, there's nothing illegal here. There's nothing inherently wrong with what they are doing. I'm not saying anyone is at fault of anything. This is just merely another connection in the mess of all the other connections that have been posted.

If you don't want to believe it, if you don't think it's true, if you don't buy it, whatever. Then don't. I'm not selling it to you. I offered it as information, and I don't have to defend it because I replicated it using the IP address. The subdomain won't resolve via DNS anymore, for any number of reasons. I don't need it to, all DNS does is turn names into numbers. I've been given the number, I don't need the name anymore.

ETA: She said the subdomain was available, it's obviously not. You can tell that because when you look it up it says it can't resolve the name. Meaning it isn't available.
 
plague311 said:
Did you read the article?



Like I said, there's nothing illegal here. There's nothing inherently wrong with what they are doing. I'm not saying anyone is at fault of anything. This is just merely another connection in the mess of all the other connections that have been posted.

If you don't want to believe it, if you don't think it's true, if you don't buy it, whatever. Then don't. I'm not selling it to you. I offered it as information, and I don't have to defend it because I replicated it using the IP address. The subdomain won't resolve via DNS anymore, for any number of reasons. I don't need it to, all DNS does is turn names into numbers. I've been given the number, I don't need the name anymore.


ETA: She said the subdomain was available, it's obviously not. You can tell that because when you look it up it says it can't resolve the name. Meaning it isn't available.
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My problem is that I can't find an association between that site and an IP address, one, and two, if such an association existed, it would be hard to confirm that it had anything to do with the Trump organization.

I'm willing to believe bad things about the Trump organization, but this particular claim is something that I should be able to confirm and yet cannot.

ETA: I'm not at all sure what your ETA is supposed to mean. A domain name which is not available need not return an IP address. Sometimes, folks "park" such domain names, temporarily associating them with an ad for their purchase, but typically, they are not associated with any IP at all. For example, try looking up gophers-eat-hairy-boogers-with-pepperoni.org. It doesn't resolve. Do you think that particular domain name is not available? Try misspelling it. Change "hairy" to "haizy". Still no resolution? My, they do take the craziest domain names, don't they?
 
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plague311 said:
You did:

donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com

The site:

dsfs.donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com

One of these things is not like the other.
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That's a claim I can't argue with. One of them is a domain and the other is a subdomain. If we believe that article, one of the other hundreds of subdomains could be plague311doesnthavethebasicknowledgetounderstandthiscrudescam.
donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com

Try to traceroute that.
 
phiwum said:
My problem is that I can't find an association between that site and an IP address, one, and two, if such an association existed, it would be hard to confirm that it had anything to do with the Trump organization.

I'm willing to believe bad things about the Trump organization, but this particular claim is something that I should be able to confirm and yet cannot.

ETA: I'm not at all sure what your ETA is supposed to mean. A domain name which is not available need not return an IP address. Sometimes, folks "park" such domain names, temporarily associating them with an ad for their purchase, but typically, they are not associated with any IP at all. For example, try looking up gophers-eat-hairy-boogers-with-pepperoni.org. It doesn't resolve. Do you think that particular domain name is not available? Try misspelling it. Change "hairy" to "haizy". Still no resolution? My, they do take the craziest domain names, don't they?
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Great, and if I had been googling it you would have a point. I looked up the actual domain that they had in the article, and the domain that Child posted, on multiple domain registries. One was available, and came up as such. The other wasn't, and also didn't resolve to anything. I mean, your snark is absolutely adorable, but my point was I didn't need the DNS records to resolve to the website. The article did that. I don't know what you by saying you should be able to do it and you can't.

windows key + R > cmd > tracert 46.161.27.189

That should do it.

Again, I don't care what you're willing to believe. If you don't want to believe it, don't. No hair off my back. The article explains in detail what the ties between the two are, and the strange facts surrounding the creation of subdomains, etc.

If you have questions, I'll be happy to answer them, but if you just wanna bitch about it, I've really got better things to do.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
That's a claim I can't argue with. One of them is a domain and the other is a subdomain. If we believe that article, one of the other hundreds of subdomains could be plague311doesnthavethebasicknowledgetounderstandthiscrudescam.
donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com

Try to traceroute that.
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You know what, I'll actually admit that I was mistaken with regards to your post. You're correct. I've admitted it before, and I was using IP addresses, I didn't bother with the names as DNS is easily manipulated.

*shrug* I was wrong. I don't believe the entirety of the article is, but I was.

I'll stand by what I said before. Believe it or don't. I'm totally ok with either.
 
plague311 said:
Great, and if I had been googling it you would have a point. I looked up the actual domain that they had in the article, and the domain that Child posted, on multiple domain registries. One was available, and came up as such. The other wasn't, and also didn't resolve to anything. I mean, your snark is absolutely adorable, but my point was I didn't need the DNS records to resolve to the website. The article did that. I don't know what you by saying you should be able to do it and you can't.

windows key + R > cmd > tracert 46.161.27.189

That should do it.

Again, I don't care what you're willing to believe. If you don't want to believe it, don't. No hair of my back. The article explains in detail what the ties between the two are, and the strange facts surrounding the creation of subdomains, etc.

If you have questions, I'll be happy to answer them, but if you just wanna bitch about it, I've really got better things to do.
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If you can't match the domain name to the IP address, then traceroute tells you nothing.

Even if you match the domain name to the IP address, you need to know whether the domain name was registered by the Trump organization.

An IP address that happens to route through Russia is just an IP address. You have to somehow connect that IP address to the Trump organization.

nslookup dsfs.donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com Server: 127.0.1.1
Address: 127.0.1.1#53

** server can't find dsfs.donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com: NXDOMAIN

Now, maybe you have other results. Maybe my nameserver is crapping out on me. But far as I can tell, there's no such domain as the above.
 
phiwum said:
If you can't match the domain name to the IP address, then traceroute tells you nothing.

Even if you match the domain name to the IP address, you need to know whether the domain name was registered by the Trump organization.

An IP address that happens to route through Russia is just an IP address. You have to somehow connect that IP address to the Trump organization.

nslookup dsfs.donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com Server: 127.0.1.1
Address: 127.0.1.1#53

** server can't find dsfs.donald-trump-entrepreneurs-initative.com: NXDOMAIN

Now, maybe you have other results. Maybe my nameserver is crapping out on me. But far as I can tell, there's no such domain as the above.
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Yup, duly noted. Thanks, I made a mistake.

I'll be sure to check my info more in the future.
 
plague311 said:
Yup, duly noted. Thanks, I made a mistake.

I'll be sure to check my info more in the future.
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It happens.

Glancing around the "Unhack the Vote" site, it seems to be pretty dubious. Very little in the way of facts that I could see. I wouldn't be a regular visitor, personally.

Anyway, no matter. I appreciate that you conceded the point. Beats digging in one's heels and refusing to admit error like certain heads of these United States, elected last November.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Gee, what if the anonymous source CNN claims to have the info from wasn't entirely correct in their unsubstantiated claim that the FBI wouldn't use uncorroborated info? How dare the professor even allege this? Hahahaha! Oh "boi".
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Well Gee, I guess you boi doesn't have any clue what the FBI did or didn't do then, does he ?

I'm not sure why you think this is helping your case ?
 
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