Spain suppressing Catalan Indyref

quadraginta said:
What would have happened if Madrid had simply ignored the Catalonia vote? Just let the Catalans have their little referendum, and paid little attention to it?

A public statement saying it has no legal basis or authority, and left it at that.
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Recent events in Spain raise the question: Is Franco still dead?

The handling of this by the central government has got to be the stupidest response to an independence movement since the Intolerable Acts were passed after the Boston Tea Party. If the Spanish government wanted to convince Catalans that independence is a good idea, they would have a hard time improving on their current course.

ETA: I think the course suggested by quadraginta would have been much better for Spain. Simply declare that since the referendum was illegal, its results are null and void. Sending the cops in to try to stop the vote, suspending the elected government of Catalonia and shutting down news media in Catalonia are only going to serve to increase the support for independence. It's almost as if the government of Spain wants a civil war.
 
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Indeed, but the announcement came out shortly after the declaration.

I foresee lots of new guisers on the streets of Barcelona in coming days, perhaps with some sort of public-service costume theme going on.
 
Sigh. Comments sections on major US a papers highlight the very, very scant knowledge Americans have of history, geography, or democracy, including their own.
 
quadraginta said:
Hadn't they already said they were going to do that?

I don't recall it being proposed as a conditional or anything, just a "We are going to.".
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The Independent also reports that
Spain’s top prosecutor will seek rebellion charges for those responsible for a vote in favor of declaring an independent Catalan republic, an official spokesman said.

The spokesman said the prosecutor is looking to determine if the charges should be limited to the Catalan cabinet, including President Carles Puigdemont and Vice President Oriol Junqueras, or if they should also include members of the parliament’s governing board and lawmakers.​
In response
The main secessionist group in Catalonia, the Catalan National Assembly (ANC), called on civil servants not to follow orders from the Spanish government after Madrid authorised direct rule over the region.

The ANC called on Catalan civil servants to respond with “peaceful resistance”.​
 
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Craig B said:
The Independent also reports that
Spain’s top prosecutor will seek rebellion charges for those responsible for a vote in favor of declaring an independent Catalan republic, an official spokesman said.

The spokesman said the prosecutor is looking to determine if the charges should be limited to the Catalan cabinet, including President Carles Puigdemont and Vice President Oriol Junqueras, or if they should also include members of the parliament’s governing board and lawmakers.​
In response
The main secessionist group in Catalonia, the Catalan National Assembly (ANC), called on civil servants not to follow orders from the Spanish government after Madrid authorised direct rule over the region.

The ANC called on Catalan civil servants to respond with “peaceful resistance”.​
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Madrid seems to be a fan of pouring oil on troubled water (while playing with matches)
 
Were the Catalon people being persecuted?

Were they suffering extreme discrimination?

What was the problem that could only be fixed by independence, and why now?
 
Hercules56 said:
Were the Catalon people being persecuted?

Were they suffering extreme discrimination?

What was the problem that could only be fixed by independence, and why now?
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While these questions may have been open to some debate in the past, it would appear that events have moved beyond that.

I expect that the current responses would be somewhat different. Madrid seems intent on giving them fresh ammunition for their grievances.
 
Hercules56 said:
Were the Catalon people being persecuted?

Were they suffering extreme discrimination?

What was the problem that could only be fixed by independence, and why now?
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So speaks the citizen of an independent country, unable to comprehend why others might also aspire to that happy condition.
 
That is what Madrid should have done. Let them have the referendum,and then announce it had no more legal standing then any other public opinion poll.
instead they overreacted, and now might well be taking the country into Civil War.
 
CORed said:
Recent events in Spain raise the question: Is Franco still dead?

The handling of this by the central government has got to be the stupidest response to an independence movement since the Intolerable Acts were passed after the Boston Tea Party. If the Spanish government wanted to convince Catalans that independence is a good idea, they would have a hard time improving on their current course.

ETA: I think the course suggested by quadraginta would have been much better for Spain. Simply declare that since the referendum was illegal, its results are null and void. Sending the cops in to try to stop the vote, suspending the elected government of Catalonia and shutting down news media in Catalonia are only going to serve to increase the support for independence. It's almost as if the government of Spain wants a civil war.
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I would say that the shootings after the Easter Rebellion by the British Government was just as stupid as Madrid's handling of this, but yeah, it is
Intolerable Acts level stupid. Like the Intolerable acts, it is truning many moderates or those who were neutral in favor of Catalonian Indepdenence.
 
I wonder what Spanish is for "Sinn Fein", since that might be where we are headed...a official government and a illegal shadow government.
 
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