Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Trump's account of his meeting with Republicans on the Hill: "standing ovations" "it was great, the tax plan is going to be great" "my accomplishments" :words:

Apparently there was little to no discussion of any tax plan details.
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Maybe it was upthread here, or I read it elsewhere today, at least some of the GOP attendees weren't pleased with the ratio of actual policy proposal to outright blather.

What was that epithet Kelly leveled against the Florida congresswoman... oh yeah, "empty barrel".
That's our POTUS. :rolleyes:
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
Covered succinctly in the PBS documentary “The Choice”.
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It's almost two hours long. What did it say about Trump's reaction to Obama making him look like a fool?

Fast Eddie B said:
Unrelated, but there’s a documentary on Netflix called “Get Me Roger Stone”.

Aggravating to be sure, but puts a lot of things in perspective.
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Don't get Netflix. Can you provide a brief accouint?
 
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quadraginta said:
I hope so. If he does that he'll lose. A soon as he does he's toast.

GOP brand loyalty is the only thing keeping his rating out of the sewer as it is. If it had not been for that we wouldn't be having this conversation, because he would have lost to Clinton.

A third party bid by Trump would probably eviscerate the GOP, but it wouldn't give Trump a win.
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I thought that for a long time but now I'm convinced that there really are 35-40% of the US electorate and around 80% of the GOP voters and supporters who genuinely think that President Trump is doing a good job and think that politicians should be more like him.

Instead of seeing him like the left (and I) do, an incompetent buffoon with impulse control issues and a deep-seated needs to be the centre of attention, they see a genius businessman who is setting the cat among the pigeons in DC and trying to both drain the swap and MAGA, if only those obstructionist Democrats and a few GOP traitors (and NWO shills) didn't conspire against him.

It really is a sobering (and worrying) thought that President Trump may be a net draw to the GOP and not the other way around. :(
 
SezMe said:
Pet peeve of mine.
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TofuFighter said:
happy to be corrected. Is it because I can infer something, but actions/statements cannot infer something?
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[sidetrack] From Google search
Imply and infer are opposites, like a throw and a catch. To imply is to hint at something, but to infer is to make an educated guess. The speaker does the implying, and the listener does the inferring.
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It's a bit tricky. It requires I think about it a bit more. [/sidetrack]
 
The Don said:
I thought that for a long time but now I'm convinced that there really are 35-40% of the US electorate and around 80% of the GOP voters and supporters who genuinely think that President Trump is doing a good job and think that politicians should be more like him.

Instead of seeing him like the left (and I) do, an incompetent buffoon with impulse control issues and a deep-seated needs to be the centre of attention, they see a genius businessman who is setting the cat among the pigeons in DC and trying to both drain the swap and MAGA, if only those obstructionist Democrats and a few GOP traitors (and NWO shills) didn't conspire against him.

It really is a sobering (and worrying) thought that President Trump may be a net draw to the GOP and not the other way around. :(
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Drives me nuts there are that many ignorant people. I'm sorry forum alt-right wingers but there's just no excuse for believing in this mentally ill con artist.
 
The Don said:
I thought that for a long time but now I'm convinced that there really are 35-40% of the US electorate and around 80% of the GOP voters and supporters who genuinely think that President Trump is doing a good job and think that politicians should be more like him.

Instead of seeing him like the left (and I) do, an incompetent buffoon with impulse control issues and a deep-seated needs to be the centre of attention, they see a genius businessman who is setting the cat among the pigeons in DC and trying to both drain the swap and MAGA, if only those obstructionist Democrats and a few GOP traitors (and NWO shills) didn't conspire against him.

It really is a sobering (and worrying) thought that President Trump may be a net draw to the GOP and not the other way around. :(
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I don't think there is any question that Trump has been a net draw to the GOP, and that they are just fine with that, because they have already shown that they will cheerfully court the most disgusting and vile segments of the right wing if it adds to their power base.

But if Trump split off from the GOP to start his own "America First Party" (or something) and the GOP ran a candidate against him, much of the knee-jerk, brand name loyalty to the GOP which has put him in power would remain knee-jerk, brand name loyal to the GOP.

Without that rock solid, yellow-dog foundation of die-hard GOP loyalists ... he's just another right wing, fringe party wacko. And a buffoon of one at that.

No more desperate, twisted apologetics from GOP luminaries. No more bizarre attempts at 'splaining "what he meant was ..." from GOP mouthpieces.

The way he was treated by GOP opponents in the early days of the GOP primaries will look like kid gloves.
 
quadraginta said:
I don't think there is any question that Trump has been a net draw to the GOP, and that they are just fine with that, because they have already shown that they will cheerfully court the most disgusting and vile segments of the right wing if it adds to their power base.

But if Trump split off from the GOP to start his own "America First Party" (or something) and the GOP ran a candidate against him, much of the knee-jerk, brand name loyalty to the GOP which has put him in power would remain knee-jerk, brand name loyal to the GOP.

Without that rock solid, yellow-dog foundation of die-hard GOP loyalists ... he's just another right wing, fringe party wacko. And a buffoon of one at that.

No more desperate, twisted apologetics from GOP luminaries. No more bizarre attempts at 'splaining "what he meant was ..." from GOP mouthpieces.

The way he was treated by GOP opponents in the early days of the GOP primaries will look like kid gloves.
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My apologies then, I misunderstood it when you said:

GOP brand loyalty is the only thing keeping his rating out of the sewer as it is.
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..to mean that you thought that a lot of the people saying that he was doing a great job as president were only doing so because he is a GOP President (i.e. "voting" for the party and not the man). So something like 40% of GOPers think he's doing a good job and 40% don't but are saying so anyway because he is a GOP President.

It seems that instead you were saying that his approval numbers would be markedly lower if he formed a splinter party. In that case I agree with you but I'd also suggest that the same is true for any well known representative from either mainstream party.
 
Fox News is now Fake News because they have published a public poll showing Trump's approval rating at a dysmal 38%... Sad!
 
Arcade22 said:
Fox News is now Fake News because they have published a public poll showing Trump's approval rating at a dysmal 38%... Sad!
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He won't ever turn on FoxNews.

Those approval numbers:

  • Are the best ever. No President has ever had better approval numbers than that
  • Are the lowest ever - but it's all the fault of the failing mainsteam media spreading #Fakenews
  • Are themselves #Fakenews because, as the election polls showed, the polling companies themselves are anti-Trump
  • Reflect the fact that the obsructionist Democratic Party and traitors like liddle' Bob Corker have blocked legislation that would MAGA

and all of those views held at the same time :rolleyes:
 
Spindrift said:
Not likely. The party would have to re-nominate him and there are plenty of Republicans who would like their turn.
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Who knows what the republican party will look like then. We are talking after 7 years of getting them to reject basic facts for what ever trump says and civil war in the party. This is no more the party of Reagan that the party of Reagan was the Party of Eisenhower or Roosevelt.
 
The Don said:
My apologies then, I misunderstood it when you said:



..to mean that you thought that a lot of the people saying that he was doing a great job as president were only doing so because he is a GOP President (i.e. "voting" for the party and not the man). So something like 40% of GOPers think he's doing a good job and 40% don't but are saying so anyway because he is a GOP President.
It seems that instead you were saying that his approval numbers would be markedly lower if he formed a splinter party.
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These two things are fundamentally related.

Without his connection to the GOP his ratings would be in the toillet. That was my original point. It was in response to the idea of him forming his own party.

I don't think that an substantial number of his supporters as a GOP offering would follow him to a party of his own on the basis of their support for him as an individual.

Enough might to cripple the GOP, but not enough to make him a viable candidate in his own right.
 
Mumbles said:
He'd likely still be at it, much like a racist white Southerner during Reconstruction. White supremacists like him always took Obama's presidency as a horrible abomination, so Trump would still insisted Obama was unamerican, stupid, and so forth, he'd likely still have run for president, and he'd still be hellbent on trying to "correct America" regardless of consequences.

When the country moves forward racially, there's always a backlash. Trump is the equivalent of "separate but Equal" or the Nixon's Law and Order rhetoric (except far more openly crass and narcissistic than Nixon). Joke's on him, though - you can't really erase history
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What about with a nuclear war?
 
Jim_MDP said:
Maybe it was upthread here, or I read it elsewhere today, at least some of the GOP attendees weren't pleased with the ratio of actual policy proposal to outright blather.
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Why shouldn't they be, they knew what they were getting. It isn't like he had one clue about what his official campaign policies were during the campaign, why should he suddenly care about such trivial details after he has won?
 
quadraginta said:
These two things are fundamentally related.

Without his connection to the GOP his ratings would be in the toillet.
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I don't know about that, he seems to be more liked by the GOP base than those he is feuding with. They like his name calling and other antics because he isn't some PC guy who bothers to be polite to his enemies. They also seem to have embraced the idea that most of the stories that look the most negative of him are fake, after all he invented the word fake.
 
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