Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Today for the first time I had the thought: If Trump makes it to 2024, I think it's possible he'll try to stay in office.

Tip all relevant checks and balances into a pro-Trump clique and what would actually stop him from trying to do that?

It's why I'm not satisfied with any scheme to get him out of office on a technicality. Anything that does not destroy his personal popularity only makes him stronger. This guy could (at least try to) crash the U.S. Constitution on the rocks solely for his own personal glory. He wants to be Emperor.

Purges ahead?
 
Minoosh said:
Today for the first time I had the thought: If Trump makes it to 2024, I think it's possible he'll try to stay in office.

Tip all relevant checks and balances into a pro-Trump clique and what would actually stop him from trying to do that?

It's why I'm not satisfied with any scheme to get him out of office on a technicality. Anything that does not destroy his personal popularity only makes him stronger. This guy could (at least try to) crash the U.S. Constitution on the rocks solely for his own personal glory. He wants to be Emperor.

Purges ahead?
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Third president in a row people have said would do that.
 
Minoosh said:
Today for the first time I had the thought: If Trump makes it to 2024, I think it's possible he'll try to stay in office.

Tip all relevant checks and balances into a pro-Trump clique and what would actually stop him from trying to do that?

It's why I'm not satisfied with any scheme to get him out of office on a technicality. Anything that does not destroy his personal popularity only makes him stronger. This guy could (at least try to) crash the U.S. Constitution on the rocks solely for his own personal glory. He wants to be Emperor.

Purges ahead?
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Not likely. The party would have to re-nominate him and there are plenty of Republicans who would like their turn.
 
quadraginta said:
I don't think Trump actually knows enough about the Constitution to be contemptuous of it.

Ignorance explains his actions just as well, and is certainly more like in view of his other behavior.
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I think his default emotion might be contempt.
 
Minoosh said:
Today for the first time I had the thought: If Trump makes it to 2024, I think it's possible he'll try to stay in office.

Tip all relevant checks and balances into a pro-Trump clique and what would actually stop him from trying to do that?

It's why I'm not satisfied with any scheme to get him out of office on a technicality. Anything that does not destroy his personal popularity only makes him stronger. This guy could (at least try to) crash the U.S. Constitution on the rocks solely for his own personal glory. He wants to be Emperor.

Purges ahead?
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Trump might be testing some of the checks and balances, but so far, this prognostication goes too far. He is the least competent, most arrogant president we have had at least in my lifetime, but I reckon we can get through him.

More troubling are the societal divisions that elected him and will likely dog us hereafter. That the GOP, a formerly principled party regardless of what you thought of those principles, now throws their support behind an (allegedly?) charismatic leader, spouting utter nonsense and lies with impunity and blowing with the wind, does not bode well for the immediate future.
 
Spindrift said:
Not likely. The party would have to re-nominate him and there are plenty of Republicans who would like their turn.
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Trump will have cut completely loose of the GOP by then - the process has already started. He could run as Leader of the Trump Movement which Bannon has in his head.

Trump doesn't think he owes the GOP anything for his election success; he achieved that through his own awesomeness, of course. On the contrary, they owe him for their success in Congress riding on his coat-tails.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Telling isn't it. If true it means Trump is getting no PDBs or they are meaningless PDBs.
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Perhaps just superficial. Trump might have assumed (or been given the impression) that Niger was in Afghanistan and stuff happens over there all the time.

Had he been told that Niger was a country and that US forces were deployed there in the Obama period he might have paid some attention and been righteously outraged. But what would be the point? Moving right along ...
 
phiwum said:
...That the GOP, a formerly principled party regardless of what you thought of those principles, now throws their support behind an (allegedly?) charismatic leader, spouting utter nonsense and lies with impunity and blowing with the wind the ruthless billionaires who buy candidates and election, does not bode well for the immediate future.
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FTFY.

The only way to win elections for high offices and thus get a chance to shape policy and development of the Constitution is to lick the arses of the top 0.02% of Americans who, being the money elite, decide about all the important nominations before primary campaigns even start.

Hence, the President, Congress, state governors and legislatures are responsive to the need of this oligarchy ONLY.
 
Trebuchet said:
I'm sure he got and continues to get serious briefings. The problem is the picture book is the only one he pays much attention to.
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That seems very plausible to me. Trump strikes me as the type of person who wouldn't think twice about just ignoring the well-trained professionals attempting to explain things to him.
 
CapelDodger said:
Trump will have cut completely loose of the GOP by then - the process has already started. He could run as Leader of the Trump Movement which Bannon has in his head.

Trump doesn't think he owes the GOP anything for his election success; he achieved that through his own awesomeness, of course. On the contrary, they owe him for their success in Congress riding on his coat-tails.
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I hope so. If he does that he'll lose. A soon as he does he's toast.

GOP brand loyalty is the only thing keeping his rating out of the sewer as it is. If it had not been for that we wouldn't be having this conversation, because he would have lost to Clinton.

A third party bid by Trump would probably eviscerate the GOP, but it wouldn't give Trump a win.
 
Armitage72 said:
You have to wonder what history would be like if President Obama hadn't made those jokes about Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner in 2011. Given his usual thin-skinned reaction to criticism, one can infer that his hurt feelings are a primary motivation. The political equivalent of buying a rival business, shutting it down, and tearing down the building.
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He'd likely still be at it, much like a racist white Southerner during Reconstruction. White supremacists like him always took Obama's presidency as a horrible abomination, so Trump would still insisted Obama was unamerican, stupid, and so forth, he'd likely still have run for president, and he'd still be hellbent on trying to "correct America" regardless of consequences.

When the country moves forward racially, there's always a backlash. Trump is the equivalent of "separate but Equal" or the Nixon's Law and Order rhetoric (except far more openly crass and narcissistic than Nixon). Joke's on him, though - you can't really erase history, so he'll go down as the crass idiot who was motivated wholly by id and racism.
 
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Oystein said:
FTFY.

The only way to win elections for high offices and thus get a chance to shape policy and development of the Constitution is to lick the arses of the top 0.02% of Americans who, being the money elite, decide about all the important nominations before primary campaigns even start.

Hence, the President, Congress, state governors and legislatures are responsive to the need of this oligarchy ONLY.
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I think this plus delusions about supply side economics explains why the GOP are trying to pass the legislation they are trying to pass.

Protect banks from class-action lawsuits? What's that about if not courting the donor base. The whole tax reform lie, deregulating anything that some rich guy was annoyed with dipping into their profits,... and these donor elites are who Trump hangs out with. Whether Trump needs their money or not, their wants are Trump's wants.

Of course, he's drinking at the trough himself to pay for all sorts of things but in Trump's case it's as much personal enrichment as it is campaign money.
 
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Civet said:
That seems very plausible to me. Trump strikes me as the type of person who wouldn't think twice about just ignoring the well-trained professionals attempting to explain things to him.
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I wonder if, in the Oval, he argumentatively pushes against Generals and senior politicos (you know... adults) in that Dunning-Kruger way he has about him.

What I'm sure doesn't happen... is them pushing back. I'd pay good money to watch that.


What I've been dying to see, though they need their jobs too much, is for any of the press IRL to just say.... "you ***** tool, stop babbling".

Propaganda Sarah could use a bit of that as well.
 
quadraginta said:
I hope so. If he does that he'll lose. A soon as he does he's toast.

GOP brand loyalty is the only thing keeping his rating out of the sewer as it is. If it had not been for that we wouldn't be having this conversation, because he would have lost to Clinton.

A third party bid by Trump would probably eviscerate the GOP, but it wouldn't give Trump a win.
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It's a nice thought. I feel sorry for principled conservatives watching their party being taken over by this know-nothing.

But he won't quit the party. He really is taking it over. It's not clear to me how it's happening, but people refer to his wing of the party as "conservative". The least principled man who ever learned to tie his shoes is viewed as the leader of a political movement.

It is utterly unfathomable. I suppose I lean a little further left than right, but no principled conservative deserves for this to happen to their party and it is not good for the nation either. It didn't begin with Trump (and honestly, McCain's choice of Palin normalized ignorance in national politics), but this is, I hope, the end of this particular trend. Could it get worse?
 
Trump's account of his meeting with Republicans on the Hill: "standing ovations" "it was great, the tax plan is going to be great" "my accomplishments" :words:

Apparently there was little to no discussion of any tax plan details.
 
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