Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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sunmaster14 said:
Why would the Clintonites release a dodgy dossier before an election she expected to win? It could have easily backfired. No, it was clearly in reserve for a hail mary play of some sort. After the election, the hail mary play was to try to undermine the legitimacy of Trump's win, as well as to hamstring his administration as much as possible before he got going on his plan to make America great again (obviously, that's the last thing the Democrats want).
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Oh, never mind. Not sure why I bothered.

Yes, yes, Democrats *********** hate America. The bastards.
 
Emily's Cat said:
If it serves to weaken the winner's position, and to gum up the wheels of justice, and to spend untold amounts of time involved in investigations that could feasibly result in the removal of the elected president... are you certain there are no benefits to the loser?
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Yes. She's still the loser and won't have another shot at it until 2020 if ever.

Even if Trump were removed, she's out of the picture.
 
phiwum said:
Yes. She's still the loser and won't have another shot at it until 2020 if ever.

Even if Trump were removed, she's out of the picture.
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Right now, perhaps. But wouldn't it significantly 1a) strengthen her prospects if she runs again in 2020, 1b) strengthen the prospects of whoever she supports if she doesn't run in 2020, 2) strengthen the prospects of the Democratic party as a whole, 3) inhibit the ability of any republicans to make any headway between now and 2020, 4) reduce the position of Republican party as a whole for the foreseeable future? All of those are things that increase Clinton's political clout.

Not everyone thinks in terms of short-term gains; party loyalty is a thing; sometimes making the winner look bad helps the loser fare better in the next round.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
Right now, perhaps. But wouldn't it significantly 1a) strengthen her prospects if she runs again in 2020, 1b) strengthen the prospects of whoever she supports if she doesn't run in 2020, 2) strengthen the prospects of the Democratic party as a whole, 3) inhibit the ability of any republicans to make any headway between now and 2020, 4) reduce the position of Republican party as a whole for the foreseeable future?

Not everyone thinks in terms of short-term gains; party loyalty is a thing; some people feel better about their having lost if they can pull the winner down a notch or two as well.
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Sure, we'll see. Maybe the woman who couldn't beat the least competent candidate in US history has a long game in mind. Maybe, despite her loss, she's a remarkably skillful tactician and is planning on a comeback for her party in 2020.

That's probably it. Unlike Trump, she's playing 5D chess or something.
 
NoahFence said:
Sunmasters implication that Hillary paid for the dossier in the event she lost.
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To hamstring his presidency, which it certainly has helped in doing. Phiwum seems to think Hillary isn’t capable of doing that and there is no reason to do it. When in fact it looks like that is exactly what she and her cohorts have done. Damn we’ve been here so many times before.
 
NoahFence said:
Sunmasters implication that Hillary paid for the dossier in the event she lost.
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I didn't imply that. She obviously paid for the dossier because she thought she might need it to win. There were several times when the race looked close. Hillary didn't really look like a shoo-in until October, and the pussy grab tape coming out really clinched it for her (well, except that it didn't, but I'm referring to expectations here).

After the shock and butthurt of Nov 8-9, she decided to use the dossier to undermine Trump as much as possible. Also, to make it look like she didn't lose fair and square. But for most Democratic party members it really was about destroying Trump's political capital, which made it much harder for him to make America great again. Understandably, Democrats wanted to resist that kind of agenda with every weapon they had.
 
logger said:
To hamstring his presidency, which it certainly has helped in doing. Phiwum seems to think Hillary isn’t capable of doing that and there is no reason to do it. When in fact it looks like that is exactly what she and her cohorts have done. Damn we’ve been here so many times before.
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Trumps presidency would be hanging by a thread regardless of that specific dossier. Everything would eventually come out anyway, separate from its existence.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I didn't imply that. She obviously paid for the dossier because she thought she might need it to win. There were several times when the race looked close. Hillary didn't really look like a shoo-in until October, and the pussy grab tape coming out really clinched it for her (well, except that it didn't, but I'm referring to expectations here).

After the shock and butthurt of Nov 8-9, she decided to use the dossier to undermine Trump as much as possible. Also, to make it look like she didn't lose fair and square. But for most Democratic party members it really was about destroying Trump's political capital, which made it much harder for him to make America great again. Understandably, Democrats wanted to resist that kind of agenda with every weapon they had.
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As others have said, whether or not the DNC or Hillary paid for the report, they haven't been tied to its leaking. Thus, all of your guesses about why Hillary would (1) pay for a report on Trump and (2) not release it in any form far as we know until (3) she presumably released it after losing the election because, well, you know, what the heck I guess, depends on (3) being true at all.
 
logger said:
To hamstring his presidency, which it certainly has helped in doing. Phiwum seems to think Hillary isn’t capable of doing that and there is no reason to do it. When in fact it looks like that is exactly what she and her cohorts have done. Damn we’ve been here so many times before.
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Yes, they're damnably devious! I think that Al Gore invented Twitter just to make Trump look like an ass.

It's a little puzzling how the friggin' Liberals are quite so clever and control absolutely no branch of the Federal Government, but you know what? That's just how clever they are! It's the Deep State, baby. If not for the Democratic Deep State, America would be Great Again. As it is, they thwart our every move because they want America to fail.

Simple version: you can't win, because they lose so darned well.
 
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phiwum said:
Yes, they're damnably devious! I think that Al Gore invented Twitter just to make Trump look like an ass.

It's a little puzzling how the friggin' Liberals are quite so clever and control absolutely no branch of the Federal Government, but you know what? That's just how clever they are! It's the Deep State, baby. If not for the Democratic Deep State, America would be Great Again. As it is, they thwart our every move because they want America to fail.

Simple version: you can't win, because they lose so darned well.
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Wait, are you saying that the Republicans don't have... gasp.. all the power?
 
Argumemnon said:
Wait, are you saying that the Republicans don't have... gasp.. all the power?
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Nah, they must have all the power. Remember the Schadenboners, back before Trump was actually sworn in and did not a damned thing well? You wouldn't have such confidence unless you were certain that your side was going to change the course of human events.

So, I suppose that all that crap about, for instance, Obamacare not being repealed? Fake news. Stands to reason, donut?
 
phiwum said:
Yes, they're damnably devious! I think that Al Gore invented Twitter just to make Trump look like an ass.

It's a little puzzling how the friggin' Liberals are quite so clever and control absolutely no branch of the Federal Government, but you know what? That's just how clever they are! It's the Deep State, baby. If not for the Democratic Deep State, America would be Great Again. As it is, they thwart our every move because they want America to fail.

Simple version: you can't win, because they lose so darned well.
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Ok back to reality. Reality is Hillary Clinton and the DNC are corrupt. That is why they paid for this phony dossier.
 
NoahFence said:
Trumps presidency would be hanging by a thread regardless of that specific dossier. Everything would eventually come out anyway, separate from its existence.
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Except you missed the fact that this dossier is the excuse the FBI and Obama used to start this investigation against Trump.
 
logger said:
Ok back to reality. Reality is Hillary Clinton and the DNC are corrupt. That is why they paid for this phony dossier.
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It is not at all clear that paying for a dossier regarding your political opponent is a matter of corruption. Your conclusion is not supported by your premise.
 
phiwum said:
It is not at all clear that paying for a dossier regarding your political opponent is a matter of corruption. Your conclusion is not supported by your premise.
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Then why were they lying about it?

Putting up a “dossier” that is nothing but lies doesn’t scream corruption?

The FBI starting an investigation of collusion by a presidential campaign with a foreign country because of a made up dossier, paid for by the opponent of the winning campaign. That doesn’t reek of corruption?
 
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