I addressed this - we don't know what the issues are. The government can't agree even within its own circles wtf it's aiming for. How can firms and agencies predict what those issues might be. It isn't the EU that's stopping the work going ahead, it's HMG.
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I addressed this - we don't know what the issues are. The government can't agree even within its own circles wtf it's aiming for. How can firms and agencies predict what those issues might be. It isn't the EU that's stopping the work going ahead, it's HMG.
That's an excellent example of the points I'm making: remainers are wasting valuable time. While the government is tied up dealing with constant bickering from remain back benchers and delaying measures by people such as Gina Miller, it can't get on with the work that really needs to be done.
The irony is that when we're not ready in time, the remainers won't admit that it was mostly their fault that the time was wasted.
The irony is that when we're not ready in time, the remainers won't admit that it was mostly their fault that the time was wasted.
A remain trope is to insist that the government doesn't know what it wants - what the remainers really mean is that the government doesn't agree with what the remainers want.
It's the same with the EU saying, 'So far there has been insufficient clarity' when what they really mean is 'You must offer us a bigger bribe.'
It's the same with the EU saying, 'So far there has been insufficient clarity' when what they really mean is 'You must offer us a bigger bribe.'
What does May want, and who has she told?
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No - tell me more.
Eh? The problem is that the ones who want to leave the EU are in charge and should be solving the problems but they are incompetent, lazy, inexperienced, cowardly and arrogant. None of them seem to have any comprehension of the scale of work *they* have decided to take on. Trying to off load the reason why they aren't solving the problems (they wanted to create) to those that already have a solution is just mind blowing!
The leave campaign won, the primary leave advocates are in charge of everything to do with leaving, no one else can solve the many problems.
The only way your statements make any sense is if we label the likes of David Davis, Liam Fox and Boris Johnson as "remainers".
They are in total control of the negotiations and the plans for what to do after we leave the EU, if we are ill prepared for leaving the EU it will be their fault, no one else.
Wants to be PM.
I could employ someone to care for my garden and then constantly interrupt her with phone calls, place trip wires across the paths, grease the handles of the spades and other garden tools, throw weed seeds on the lawns and flower beds and so on.
I could then tell her that she was in total control of caring for the garden and that if it's in a real mess that is her fault, no one else.
I could then tell her that she was in total control of caring for the garden and that if it's in a real mess that is her fault, no one else.
Explain in light of your analogy how has David Davis, Liam Fox and Johnson been interrupted in their jobs?
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The obvious problem with Brexit is that those who are competent to implement it wouldn't dream of doing so while those who think it's a good idea are too idiotic, incompetent or disconnected from reality to ever actually implement it.
The reality is that when the idiots are done having their fun it will be those who never thought it was a good idea in the first place who will have to pick up the pieces.
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It is literally impossible for us to be ready on time.
To be ready would involve many years of work and the spending of tens of billions of pounds, perhaps even hundreds of billions.
For example ceptimus, what is going to happen when we leave Euratom? We will no longer have an atomic energy regulator which means no one (apart from maybe North Korea) will be able to sell nuclear energy or nuclear medicine material to us.
As we derive about 20% of our power from nuclear power stations, how are the remainers supposed to be keeping the lights on?
It is for the government to set up a new atomic energy regulator.
That means new primary legislation to create and empower the new regulator.
The steps are:
- The legislation needs to be passed through parliament.
- Then a premises needs to be identified and purchased or leased.
- Then the necessary IT need to be specified and developed.
- Then staff (with suitable experience) need to be recruited and trained.
- Then the regulator needs to be approved by the IAEA
- Only then can we start buying fuel for our nukes and radiation sources for our hospitals.
There is absolutely no way this could have been done even if work had been started on the day May triggered Article 50.
And this is only one aspect of Brexit that needs to be addressed.
So question for ceptimus:
Do you think the above is incorrect?
If so, how is this incorrect?
If not, then how can you think a no deal scenario would be anything other than a catastrophe?
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Maybe not at the cost of tens of billions of pounds but by an large yes.. other non-EU countries have largely followed that template to set up their nuclear systems and regulator.
Of course, those countries didn't have a 2 year deadline to content with. That does tend to push prices up a little.
nasty factsessss that will go away if we're just positive about Brexit.
The reason there's precious little progress is that any firm decision on the part of HMG would result in immediate civil war among the Tories. By endlessly avoiding tough-but-necessary choices they delay the fateful day, up to the point where sheer inevitability leads us where it will.
Bottom line - they're all saving their own skins, trying to remain standing for their own future benefit. Leadership of a Conservative party that has a recent history of utter awfulness looks like a poor reward to me, especially if it's won by flushing your country down the toilet, ditto senior party positions under your preferred leader.
You are being unfair, it should be clear to everyone that it is Johnson's turn to be PM, not his fault if the EU doesn't know that.
Mostly because you have your eyes firmly shut every time people try to show it you...
You mean the very real problem that people like yourself pretended would just go away?
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"You said the decision to leave the EU would be a disaster - and nothing much has happened yet, so it's fine"
I do note that apart from the glaringly obvious point that we are still in the EU and the less obvious point that George Osbourne needed to rescind* austerity to avoid a recession - Ceptimus hasn't actually given any benefits for Brexit.
*Which does beg the question as to what would have happened if he'd made that decision earlier, without the headwind that the Brexit decision has led to.
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