Brexit: Now What? Part IV

[Garrison]

And the Brexiteer's woes multiply as it appears Labour has decided to make a stand on the repeal bill:

Labour demands changes to Brexit repeal bill

Sir Keir Starmer the Shadow Brexit Secretary demanded that:

MPs get the "final say on whether to approve the withdrawal agreement and how best to implement it"

The transition period requested by Prime Minister Theresa May is added into the legislation

A "completely different approach" to the use of powers the government argues are needed to make technical changes to regulations from Brussels

A guarantee that workers' and consumer rights, as well as environmental standards, are not watered down after Brexit

A concession to devolved administrations who want repatriated powers that would normally fall under their remit to go straight to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, rather than the Westminster government first

Putting the EU charter of fundamental rights into UK law

Given that there are more than enough Tory rebels taking pretty much the same line to defeat the government May is up to her neck in it again.

 

[Hubert Cumberdale]

How do you think all non-EU countries get their nuclear medicine material? You think they've all spent tens of billions of pounds or more setting up a means to do that?

I note that you are

1. Dodging the question.

2. Pretending that a new regulator to replace Euratom is the only thing that will need resources after Brexit

 

[The Don]

Looks like we're being prepared for a "no deal" Brexit

But International Trade Secretary Liam Fox said a failure to agree a deal was "not exactly a nightmare scenario".

The UK was preparing "mitigation" measures for such an outcome, he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41713533

Sure, it will all be fine

I thought that this would be the easiest deal ever and that our post-Brexit trade deal with the EU would be better than our current one. Looks like the incompetent idiots in charge of the negotiations are intent on crashing the UK economy - why ?

 

[Amazer]

Looks like we're being prepared for a "no deal" Brexit



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41713533

Sure, it will all be fine

Almost certainly it won't be/

I thought that this would be the easiest deal ever and that our post-Brexit trade deal with the EU would be better than our current one. Looks like the incompetent idiots in charge of the negotiations are intent on crashing the UK economy - why ?

I think the answer to your question is contained in the question itself.... just a feeling.

 

[GlennB]

Looks like we're being prepared for a "no deal" Brexit



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41713533

Sure, it will all be fine

I thought that this would be the easiest deal ever and that our post-Brexit trade deal with the EU would be better than our current one. Looks like the incompetent idiots in charge of the negotiations are intent on crashing the UK economy - why ?

I wouldn't say 'intent on', just 'not much bothered about'.

It would be cynical to suggest that they have their directorships, book deals, consultancies and places on the lecture tour already pretty much guaranteed. So I will, as I despair of the whole sorry crew.

"Record-breakingly inept" and "Mad as a box of frogs" are two recent comments that made me smile

 

[jimbob]

Looks like we're being prepared for a "no deal" Brexit



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41713533

Sure, it will all be fine

I thought that this would be the easiest deal ever and that our post-Brexit trade deal with the EU would be better than our current one. Looks like the incompetent idiots in charge of the negotiations are intent on crashing the UK economy - why ?

I'm starting to think that some are looking forward to their nice Dachas

 

[ceptimus]

You mean the very real problem that people like yourself pretended would just go away?

Actually, I had to do quite a bit of programming work to mitigate potential Y2K problems myself.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Surely at some point one of the Tories involved in this game of chicken has to break ranks and actually admit that we would be better off not going through with this fustercluck?

 

[ceptimus]

- Ceptimus hasn't actually given any benefits for Brexit.

Not true. I suppose it's understandable that you could forget given how long and repetitive these Brexit threads have become.

 

[ceptimus]

Surely at some point one of the Tories involved in this game of chicken has to break ranks and actually admit that we would be better off not going through with this fustercluck?

One would hope that the EU negotiators would start to actually, you know, negotiate. So far they're just stalling to try to extort more money from us.

 

[ceptimus]

And the Brexiteer's woes multiply as it appears Labour has decided to make a stand on the repeal bill:

Labour demands changes to Brexit repeal bill

Sir Keir Starmer the Shadow Brexit Secretary demanded

Yet another example of open and closet remainers doing their best to make the Brexit process flounder and fail. But they'll keep trying to insist that the delays, extra costs, and ultimately worse outcome for all concerned are not their fault.

 

[Garrison]

Actually, I had to do quite a bit of programming work to mitigate potential Y2K problems myself.

So you're perfectly well aware that your previous post about Y2K was nonsense, or is it this latest claim that's false?

Yet another example of open and closet remainers doing their best to make the Brexit process flounder and fail. But they'll keep trying to insist that the delays, extra costs, and ultimately worse outcome for all concerned are not their fault.

And if you could point to which of the six requirements that you find so objectionable? I mean is protecting workers rights an extra cost? is insisting on human rights being maintained in UK law a worse outcome? Just how much are you willing to sacrifice in the name of your xenophobia? And it is xenophobia because you have miserably failed to offer up any other reason for Brexit other than keeping out the foreigners.

 

[jimbob]

What countries actually trade under WTO rules at the moment

https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6

Mauritania

, except that below the line it is pointed out that Mauritania it has a preferential agreement with the EU

Not quite the same as the Leave meme

 

[ceptimus]

So you're perfectly well aware that your previous post about Y2K was nonsense, or is it this latest claim that's false?

Condescend much?

I said the Y2K bug was ludicrously over-hyped. And it was. At the time people were worried about planes dropping from the sky and other such nonsense - the engineers had it all in hand, of course.

It's just the same now. Chicken Littles trying to frighten people that planes won't fly and medicines won't be available. I'm happy to wager real money that these things won't happen.

 

[fagin]

Except the bunch handling brexit are not engineers or even sensible people.

They are morons, and scared, dazed, don't have a clue what the **** is going on morons.

 

[Wudang]

I said the Y2K bug was ludicrously over-hyped. And it was. At the time people were worried about planes dropping from the sky and other such nonsense - the engineers had it all in hand, of course.

It's just the same now. Chicken Littles trying to frighten people that planes won't fly and medicines won't be available. I'm happy to wager real money that these things won't happen.

Are you claiming the experts have it all in hand here? If not, your analogy fails. If so [citation needed].

 

[ceptimus]

It wasn't the politicians who fixed the Y2K bugs either. It was people like me.

It will be the same with Brexit - once the politicians have moved along with their time-wasting dance, it will be down to people who actually work for a living to make the necessary changes.

Some things certainly won't be complete by the target date - the politicians have already wasted over a year. There will have to be an interim period where many things carry on as at present.

Even if the politicians had got their act together (and in my opinion it's mainly the EU side that are delaying things) then it still doesn't make sense to try to change everything over on the same day - much better to plan a phased process where, say, regulations about medicine come into force on one day, and regulations about flights some other day.

Plan the most important and/or easily achievable changes to take place straight away and the less important or more difficult ones later. As with any large complex project you'll expect some time overruns on some issues and the sensible adult approach on those is to say, "We're not ready to make that change yet - so until we are we'll carry on doing things the way we have for the last several decades."

 

[fagin]

A complex project needs a plan. These monkeys have nothing.

With apologies to actual real monkeys, who are probably brighter.

 

[jimbob]

Condescend much?

I said the Y2K bug was ludicrously over-hyped. And it was. At the time people were worried about planes dropping from the sky and other such nonsense - the engineers had it all in hand, of course.

It's just the same now. Chicken Littles trying to frighten people that planes won't fly and medicines won't be available. I'm happy to wager real money that these things won't happen.

OK - some specifics:

At the moment flights to the EU 27 are handled within EU regulations as of April 1st 2019, they won't be. What needs to be done to enable the flights to legally fly between the EU27 and the UK on that day? What has been done so far for that? What evidence is there that this is getting attention? If this is sorted as far as flights are concerned, what impact does this have on the passport queues? Where is the massive recruitment of the UK Border agency to deal with the increased need for checking passengers without causing massive delays?

What about nuclear power? How do we deal with regulations for importing nuclear fuel on April 1st 2019 without having agreed these regulations with the external bodies? What needs to be done to enable this and what has been done so far? What evidence is there that this is getting attention?

What about the food supply chain? At present, much of our supermarket infrastructure is integrated into the rest of the EU, and can be shipped in from Rotterdam as and when it's needed. What happens on 1st April 2019? What is the status of the planning for the massively increased customs load on April 1st 2019? What happens to import and export of perishable goods? Where is the massive recruitment of HMRC customs officers to prevent a backlog?

Where is the evidence that David Davis even understands these? Where is the evidence that David Davis has a credible plan to work out what is needed. Where is the evidence that even if he had a plan to work out what is needed, he has a plan to implement the required actions in time for April 1st 2019?

 

[ceptimus]

The EU plan is to extort as much money as possible from the UK before even allowing the negotiations on the real issues to begin.

The UK plan was to keep trade free but take control of our borders and laws. In the face of EU obstructionism the current UK plan seems to be to wait till the EU realize that they have a lot to lose too - and so begin to negotiate in good faith.

I've said many times here that I thought the negotiations would be a complete waste of time - and so far I've been proved right. It's a tragedy that the politicians have stalled the process for so long already - but that's what politicians do.