Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

[fuelair]

Trump supporters are taking it like the well adjusted people they are.

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It's totally not a cult of personality.

Because they have no more personality than any other garbage being thrown out onto the trash heap of history.

 

[quadraginta]

I am a fiscal conservative. On social (and even fiscal) matters I go with evidence-based.

Yeah. Like I said.

That one phrase alone would disqualify you for admittance to today's conservatives.

And don't even think about trying to run for office on a GOP ticket.

 

[C_Felix]

This may be a minor point, but he makes the classic mistake. Probably just repeating what many people have reported it as, but still, it pays to check these things.

Trump et al.: UK crime up 13%

Actual report: 13% increase in police-recorded offences across England and Wales

Last time I checked, Police Scotland recorded crime rates were down about 3%.

 

[Belz...]

I can't see the picture from here, but I know what it is.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

It was hypocrisy. He's literally decrying Trump's divisive race baiting while helping a divisive race baiter. Bush the lesser said the right things but he clearly doesn't believe it based on his actions. Empty platitudes from hypocrites get exactly the credit they deserve.

From that, can I take it that there’s literally nothing he could ever say that you would give him credit for?

 

[carlosy]

More President Trump twitter nonsense:


tbh Mr President, I don't think ISIS is responsible for breaking and entering and drunk and disorderly

Yes it is!

Because people getting sick and tired of ISIS, so they get drunk and have nothing else left to do but braking and entering and spreading chaos.

See, it's so easy to spin.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Can no one ever just say, “credit where credit is due”?

Listen to Bush’s speech and try to visualize your reaction to his words were they spoken by anyone else.

This is where extreme partisanship rears it’s ugly head - if Bush doesn’t speak up he’d be criticized for that. If he does speak up, virtually no credit regardless of what he says.

I still say credit where credit is due.

I can and will. Kudos to George W. At this juncture, every little bit helps, and it soothes me to think the Bushes may -- may -- see their part in this sad history. But I'll take the speech; boy, will I.

 

[Civet]

BBC: 'Obama and Bush decry deep US divisions without naming Trump'



Link

Mildly interesting to see Bush criticize Trump in this way. I don't really have a sense of how much influence Bush has with Republican voters these days when compared to Trump. I perceive Trump's vision as the dominant one within the party right now. We know he holds grudges and I wonder how that will manifest here.

 

[jimbob]

I can and will. Kudos to George W. At this juncture, every little bit helps, and it soothes me to think the Bushes may -- may -- see their part in this sad history. But I'll take the speech; boy, will I.

Ditto

Mildly interesting to see Bush criticize Trump in this way. I don't really have a sense of how much influence Bush has with Republican voters these days when compared to Trump. I perceive Trump's vision as the dominant one within the party right now. We know he holds grudges and I wonder how that will manifest here.

Bush has been critical of Trump since his nomination.

He was a bad president, but still within the normal bounds. Trump is way outside these.

 

[halleyscomet]

I'm a conservative. I accept that AGW exists, and is a threat to the Earth. Part of why I oppose Trump.

I believe the technical term for you in modern conservative circles would be "#Beta #Cuck #RINO."

Welcome to the modern Democratic party. Don't worry, it's only slightly to the left of Reagan's GOP, and even then largely on social issues.

 

[lomiller]

Is Trump the cause, or a symptom?

Symptom IMO. The scary part is the underlying problem is capable of creating worse things than Trump.

 

[halleyscomet]

Symptom IMO. The scary part is the underlying problem is capable of creating worse things than Trump.

Good point. It looks like Trump is shaping up to be the Dietrich Eckart of whatever comes next. Comparing Trump to Hither is paying him a compliment that his place in history will not reflect.

It's ironic really, that he's setting in motion events that are likely to result in the death or exile of one of his kids and her husband. I wonder if he'll live long enough to see it. He is getting up there in years.

 

[Segnosaur]

Can no one ever just say, “credit where credit is due”?

Listen to Bush’s speech and try to visualize your reaction to his words were they spoken by anyone else.

It was hypocrisy. He's literally decrying Trump's divisive race baiting while helping a divisive race baiter. Bush the lesser said the right things but he clearly doesn't believe it based on his actions. Empty platitudes from hypocrites get exactly the credit they deserve.

I'm not trying to say Bush was a good president (there are many things to criticize him on... economics, foreign policy, etc.)

But, I'm trying to think of anything specifically he might have done personally that would have contributed to any sort of racial conflict. Not saying that it didn't happen, just that I can't think of anything he did. (And I can think of a few positive things he did during his presidency... visiting a mosque shortly after 9/11, supporting a bill that would help give citizenship to illegal immigrants, etc.)

There were republicans who were using racially-based techniques (gerrymandering, etc.), but that was at the lower level.

 

[Armitage72]

Comparing Trump to Hither is paying him a compliment that his place in history will not reflect.

I think it was someone here who commented that Hitler had consistent policies and beliefs, while Trump mirrors the attitudes of whoever he spoke to most recently.

 

[CORed]

Symptom IMO. The scary part is the underlying problem is capable of creating worse things than Trump.

Damn right. Trumps one saving grace is that he is so damn incometent that he is having little success in implementing his agenda. A competent right wing demagogue could have done a lot more damage.

 

[lomiller]

It was hypocrisy. He's literally decrying Trump's divisive race baiting while helping a divisive race baiter. Bush the lesser said the right things but he clearly doesn't believe it based on his actions. Empty platitudes from hypocrites get exactly the credit they deserve.

Hypocrisy would require he recognises the similarities, but IMO he probably does not. Bush has always been well meaning but simplistic. He tends to want to address the symptom not the problem. I don’t find it at all unusual that he would want to address the symptoms of Trumps racist diversionist rhetoric while not recognising that it’s fundamentally the same thing someone else he supports is doing.

 

[pgwenthold]

Hypocrisy would require he recognises the similarities, but IMO he probably does not. Bush has always been well meaning but simplistic. He tends to want to address the symptom not the problem. I don’t find it at all unusual that he would want to address the symptoms of Trumps racist diversionist rhetoric while not recognising that it’s fundamentally the same thing someone else he supports is doing.

He won't recognize the similarities because he will focus on the difference. And it's true, he's not as racist as Trump. However, that is a matter of degree, not of kind. That Trump is way overboard does not make a less blatant racist any more acceptable.

 

[Belz...]

He won't recognize the similarities because he will focus on the difference. And it's true, he's not as racist as Trump. However, that is a matter of degree, not of kind. That Trump is way overboard does not make a less blatant racist any more acceptable.

Not even if given the choice only between the two?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Kelly's gone full Trumpworld: In attack on Frederica Wilson over Trump’s call to widow, John Kelly gets facts wrong

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds. Trump talked lied about his inauguration crowd in front of the CIA memorial wall.

If anyone disrespects women it's Trump.

Kelly said Wilson shouldn't have listened to the call. Either he knew and lied or didn't know the reason Wilson heard the call was because she was in the car with Johnson on the way to receive the body.

Kelly never addressed Wilson's biggest complaint, Trump didn't appear to know either the Sgt's or his wife's name and referred to the fallen soldier as "your guy".

And Kelly never addressed Trump's lie about what was said in the call, which apparently Trump doubled down on in a Tweet since the press conference.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Adding to my previous reply:

Yeah well, maybe you might consider how it sounded to women. Not to mention Kelly called Trump "brave". ...

I took it more as emphasizing the current disrespect shown by the likes of Harvey Weinstein - and curiously his own boss.

"Curiously"? As in curious Kelly doesn't seem bothered by Trump's behavior?

And you do know the difference between then and now is not that women weren't sexually harassed and abused, it's that they didn't talk about it, weren't believed or no one cared to stop the abusers, right?