Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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A guide to Trump's lies about taxes:
Modern conservatives have been lying about taxes pretty much from the beginning of their movement. Made-up sob stories about family farms broken up to pay inheritance taxes, magical claims about self-financing tax cuts, and so on go all the way back to the 1970s. But the selling of tax cuts under Trump has taken things to a whole new level, both in terms of the brazenness of the lies and their sheer number. Both the depth and the breadth of the dishonesty make it hard even for those of us who do this for a living to keep track.

In fact, when I set out to make a list of the bigger lies, I thought there would be six or seven, and was surprised to come up with ten.
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https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/10/14/lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies/
 
Bob001 said:
A guide to Trump's lies about taxes:
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/10/14/lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies/
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He just can't stop himself from lying:

President Trump on Monday again claimed in a press conference that the United States is the “highest taxed country in the world."

“We don’t have a vote from the Democrats. As an example — massive tax cuts,” Trump said in an impromptu press conference in the White House Rose Garden. “We may not get any Democrat votes. Now, we also may get three or four but we may get no [Democrats] — for massive tax cuts.”

“We’re the highest taxed county in the world, and yet we may get no Democrat support,” Trump continued.

Trump has continually repeated the claim, which has been proven false by several independent analyses.

A 2015 analysis by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development shows the U.S. behind countries such as the United Kingdom, Germany and France in regards to taxes.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...m-that-us-is-the-highest-taxed-country-in-the

I think few Americans realize how low their taxes are in comparison to other large developed western nations. Imagine if someone suggested a federal VAT (or sales tax) at 20-25% on most goods or perhaps jacking up the taxes on gas to 2.62$ per gallon.

Oh and corporations don't pay a lot of taxes either in fact the US is very close to average (even-though there's a wide difference in the tax burden between different industries and sectors in the US)
 
Hlafordlaes said:
That is the result of multiple journeys by myriad enterprises down the learning curve. Long-run costs and prices approach minima via iterative optimization. Normal outcome, to be expected. Zero to do with supply side voodoo.


ETA: In fact, your friend's comment is validation of the role of knowledge and knowledge management in lifting all boats over time, across history. Not a popular perspective among tax dodgers and "I-did-it-all-myself" libertarians.
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I attempted to tell him this a few years back. But Libertarianism is his gospel.
"I-did-it-all-myself" is his "moral" compass. So, as millions of Americans, he'll never get it that he's being shafted.
 
Arcade22 said:
He just can't stop himself from lying:


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President Trump on Monday again claimed in a press conference that the United States is the “highest taxed country in the world."

“We don’t have a vote from the Democrats. As an example — massive tax cuts,” Trump said in an impromptu press conference in the White House Rose Garden. “We may not get any Democrat votes. Now, we also may get three or four but we may get no [Democrats] — for massive tax cuts.”

“We’re the highest taxed county in the world, and yet we may get no Democrat support,” Trump continued.

Trump has continually repeated the claim, which has been proven false by several independent analyses.

A 2015 analysis by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development shows the U.S. behind countries such as the United Kingdom, Germany and France in regards to taxes.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...m-that-us-is-the-highest-taxed-country-in-the

I think few Americans realize how low their taxes are in comparison to other large developed western nations. Imagine if someone suggested a federal VAT (or sales tax) at 20-25% on most goods or perhaps jacking up the taxes on gas to 2.62$ per gallon.

Oh and corporations don't pay a lot of taxes either in fact the US is very close to average (even-though there's a wide difference in the tax burden between different industries and sectors in the US)
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Yes but I just realized what he really means!
He said "the highest taxed country in the world", not "the highest TAX RATE"!

If you look at TOTAL TAX REVENUE by country you will see the the USA collects WAY MORE taxes than any other country in the world!!!!
(just reset the table to show total tax revenue in US dollars)

In his mind he is NOT lying, just telling it like it is!

Never mind that this makes no sense as far as economics, he saw it on the chart!

Its just like with the nuclear weapons. The chart he saw showed we have way fewer than we used to, why shouldn't we have MORE??!
 
President Trump once joked that Vice President Mike Pence “wants to hang” all gay people, The New Yorker reported Monday.

The publication also reports that Trump has mocked Pence for his views opposing abortion and LGBTQ rights.

Trump jabbed at Pence after a legal scholar told the pair that if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, many states would probably legalize abortion.

“You see?” Trump reportedly said to Pence. “You’ve wasted all this time and energy on it, and it’s not going to end abortion anyway.”

And when the meeting began to focus on gay rights, Trump reportedly pointed to Pence, joking, “Don’t ask that guy — he wants to hang them all!”

One Trump campaign staffer also told The New Yorker that Trump used to ask people leaving meetings with Pence, “Did Mike make you pray?"

One source said the president likes to "let Pence know who's boss," according to the report.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...hat-pence-wants-to-hang-all-gay-people-report

Fake news! Trump who loves Christians (aka White Conservative Evangelicals) and is beloved by them in return would never ever make fun out of Pence's religiosity!
 
Just heard Trump's bizarre news conference with McConell.....
My god, the man sounds more and more like Captain Queeg every day.....
 
Fast Eddie B said:
His unfounded assertion that prior presidents did not call the families of fallen soldiers is an especially repugnant lie.
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I watch a bunch of "let's play" videos from a particular company. In a recent video, an ongoing joke was all the things the Egyptians invented (e.g. "Did you know the Egyptians invented snakes?")

That's pretty much Trump... about himself.

"Did you know I invented the word 'fake'?"
"Did you know I invented calling the families of fallen soldiers?"
"Did you know I invented America?"
 
Fast Eddie B said:
His unfounded assertion that prior presidents did not call the families of fallen soldiers is an especially repugnant lie.
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Trump is losing his skill as a con man.Good Con Men don't tell lies so easily disproven.
The one about Obama has already been torn to shreds
 
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Who is this 37% who approves of him? How can that large of a minority of the country be that stupid? It's still a minority but what the hell?
 
Craig4 said:
Who is this 37% who approves of him? How can that large of a minority of the country be that stupid? It's still a minority but what the hell?
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Nothing he says and nothing he does matters to them. He is Republican. That is the only thing that matters. There's no shortage of people posting on this forum who make that combination of rigidity and blindness abundantly clear.
 
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Molinaro said:
Nothing he says and nothing he does matters to them. He is Republican. That is the only thing that matters. There's no shortage of people posting on this forum who make that combination of rigidity and blindness abundantly clear.
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To be fair, his comment on past presidents not honroring the dead has drawn a pretty heated reaction from Dubya as well as Obama.
 
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