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Merged Remember the West Memphis 3?

Stacyhs said:
I had written a lengthy rebuttal to Vixen's claims about the WM3 case including testimony, etc but it did not post due to time running out and I lost it all. For anyone who is interested in the facts of the case from an unbiased source that gives an intriguing view of the case, read this:
http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=3039

One thing that is made very clear in researching this case is that the local police had no idea what they were doing. They had much in common with the Perugia police. I was amazed how much in common the WM3 and the Kercher case had as far as police screw ups, unrecorded, lawyer-less interrogations, lost evidence, etc.
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ROFLMAO
 
Vixen said:
Serious question. Do you by any chance dance 'skyclad' around bonfires in the moonlight whilst chanting the Lord's Prayer backwards?

Echols and Baldwin regularly met to have demonic meetings which involved torturing dogs, skinning them alive and eating a piece of their leg raw as an initiation rite. Echols would hold forth claiming to be conversing with the Wicked One.

You support people who torture dogs and are proud of it.

Who is the nutjob?
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It never happened. You are clueless about the whole WM3 fiasco.
 
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That's not going to stop her posting about it, or making assertions of "facts" that simply aren't so.

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Stacyhs said:
I had written a lengthy rebuttal to Vixen's claims about the WM3 case including testimony, etc but it did not post due to time running out and I lost it all. For anyone who is interested in the facts of the case from an unbiased source that gives an intriguing view of the case, read this:
http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=3039

One thing that is made very clear in researching this case is that the local police had no idea what they were doing. They had much in common with the Perugia police. I was amazed how much in common the WM3 and the Kercher case had as far as police screw ups, unrecorded, lawyer-less interrogations, lost evidence, etc.
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Truth. The WMPD were utterly incompetent in everything they did.
 
I lived in Memphis it the time this was going on. My uncle was an elected gov't official in West Memphis. The points Vixen has raised can all be explained by corruption, incompetence, and Satanic panic at the time.
 
Rolfe said:
It's a pity it's not available. I'd quite like to read it.
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I got it from NZ library but just looked at Amazon. 11.47 odd us dollars.
I could get it with one click.
There is something arwy with e commerce if UK readers can't get it.
Well worth buying a second hander from Amazon, he is just very impressive at all levels.
 
There were so many judicial and law enforcement gaffs it would be comical if it weren't so tragic. Perhaps my favorite is the Mr Bojangles suspect.

The night of the murders, a man -covered in blood, mind you- barricaded himself in the ladies washroom of a restaurant about a mile from where the bodies would later be found.

The manager called the police, who took a report through the drive-through window. The cop never got out of the car.

After the bodies were discovered the next day, a couple of different cops -who had been stomping around in knee-deep muddy water at the murder scene - went back to the Bojangles restaurant to get blood samples from the previous night's bloody visitor. They tracked mud all through the washroom, contaminating everything.

Then they LOST the blood samples.

The WMPD turned-down offers of help from the Arkansas Highway Patrol allegedly because they were being investigated by the state cops for theft of drugs and money seized by the WMPD during arrests.



The reason details of the murders got out to the West Memphis 3 is:
1) Because the cops were talking about it on their police radios, and were overheard by TV news and newspaper reporters.
2) Because someone in the WMPD leaked a coerced and coached confession to the Memphis Commercial Appeal newspaper across the river in Tennessee before any of the trials started.

They interrogated Jesse Miskelly for 12 hours, and only recorded about 45 minutes of it. They actually recorded themselves coaching Miskelly about key elements of the crime that Miskelly got wrong.

You can't make this stuff up.
 
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John Jones said:
There were so many judicial and law enforcement gaffs it would be comical if it weren't so tragic. Perhaps my favorite is the Mr Bojangles suspect.

The night of the murders, a man -covered in blood, mind you- barricaded himself in the ladies washroom of a restaurant about a mile from where the bodies would later be found.

The manager called the police, who took a report through the drive-through window. The cop never got out of the car.

After the bodies were discovered the next day, a couple of different cops -who had been stomping around in knee-deep muddy water at the murder scene - went back to the Bojangles restaurant to get blood samples from the previous night's bloody visitor. They tracked mud all through the washroom, contaminating everything.

Then they LOST the blood samples.

The WMPD turned-down offers of help from the Arkansas Highway Patrol allegedly because they were being investigated by the state cops for theft of drugs and money seized by the WMPD during arrests.



The reason details of the murders got out to the West Memphis 3 is:
1) Because the cops were talking about it on their police radios, and were overheard by TV news and newspaper reporters.
2) Because someone in the WMPD leaked a coerced and coached confession to the Memphis Commercial Appeal newspaper across the river in Tennessee before any of the trials started.

They interrogated Jesse Miskelly for 12 hours, and only recorded about 45 minutes of it. They actually recorded themselves coaching Miskelly about key elements of the crime that Miskelly got wrong.

You can't make this stuff up.
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The exact parallels to Miskelley are Teina Pora and Brendan Dassey, IQ 70 17 year olds.

Teina Pora was chasing a reward like I think Jessie Miskelley was. Brendan Dassey was not even doing that. The triage parallel is stunning, worth a phd.
Patterns, always patterns.
 
Miskelly was beaten down. I don't think he was pursuing any reward. After the 12 hour interrogation, and coerced confession to some horrific murders (and absent legal counsel), he asked "Can I go home now?"

Is that pathetic or what?
 
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That has some similarities to Stefan Kiszko, though I think Kiszko wasn't as mentally challenged as Miskelly. The police told him that if he signed the confession he could go home to him mother. Kiszko signed, believing that when the police investigated the murder properly they would realise he had nothing to do with it so it would all be OK.

He spent 18 years in jail, refusing to admit guilt even though he would have been released on parole if he had done that. He was finally proved innocent and released, on evidence that was available at the time of his original trial. He was awarded compensation for the years he spent in prison, but the state then deducted 18 years bed and board from that.

He died not long after he was released. I think he'd become institutionalised, being in prison from the age of 19. Thirty years after the murder Ronald Castree was convicted, on DNA evidence that couldn't have been analysed at the time.
 
John Jones said:
It shows as available to me. In kindle and printed version. Is this because you're in the UK?
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That's interesting. I was on my phone earlier and it showed as not available. I clicked the link again from my computer and it came up as available.
 
Rolfe said:
That has some similarities to Stefan Kiszko, though I think Kiszko wasn't as mentally challenged as Miskelly. The police told him that if he signed the confession he could go home to him mother. Kiszko signed, believing that when the police investigated the murder properly they would realise he had nothing to do with it so it would all be OK.

He spent 18 years in jail, refusing to admit guilt even though he would have been released on parole if he had done that. He was finally proved innocent and released, on evidence that was available at the time of his original trial. He was awarded compensation for the years he spent in prison, but the state then deducted 18 years bed and board from that.

He died not long after he was released. I think he'd become institutionalised, being in prison from the age of 19. Thirty years after the murder Ronald Castree was convicted, on DNA evidence that couldn't have been analysed at the time.
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Watch the Lundy appeal tuesday. Lundy is completely literate and on top of his case. He certainly believed the police would look for the killers, and yet he is year 17...
I will be filing reports from the appeal on IA and here.
 
Cool.

Anyway, after the West Memphis Three were railroaded, The West Memphis Chief of Detectives, Gary Gitchell retired. I reckon he figured it was a good time to get out.

A couple of years later I learned that he had become head of security in my daughters' school system.

I was rather alarmed, but they only had 6 months to go before they graduated. I told them to stay clear of Gary Gitchell - turn the other way when you see him coming, and never engage him.

I told them to ask for a lawyer or parent if he interrogated them in any fashion.

Anyway - they graduated high school and university, and will probably never see him.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Here is a discussion of the documentaries.
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I saw the three Paradise Lost documentaries years later. but I got most of my information from the newspaper and TV news of the time. One thing your link makes clear is that Damien Echols was his own worst enemy. He was a bad smart-ass and treated the whole tragedy like a big joke. Definitely not a sympathetic character.

Having said that, even at the time I couldn't believe they got convictions based on the level of evidence.

They introduced a stack of black T-shirts as evidence of Jason Baldwin's guilt. I guess owning a dozen black t-shirts is evidence of Satanic worship.

Some fibers found on one of the murdered boys was consistent with Damien Echol's mother's bathrobe. She bought the bathrobe at the local Walmart - the largest retailer (if not the only one) in West Memphis.
 
Samson said:
Watch the Lundy appeal tuesday. Lundy is completely literate and on top of his case. He certainly believed the police would look for the killers, and yet he is year 17...
I will be filing reports from the appeal on IA and here.
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Do it in the right thread. We'll read it.
 
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