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Charlottesville Car Crash Video

CaptainHowdy said:
Was he wearing a polo shirt? Was he carrying a tiki torch? Then how scary could he have been?

The BLM and ANTIFA started all the violence at Charlottesville. That "DeAndre" Spook included.
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CaptainHowdy said:
BTW, y'all keep using epithets. I'm going to as well. Hope I don't trigger you.
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What I've learned from this thread is that when people show you who they are, believe them.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Was he wearing a polo shirt? Was he carrying a tiki torch? Then how scary could he have been?

The BLM and ANTIFA started all the violence at Charlottesville. That "DeAndre" Spook included.
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And another bigot outs himself....

Not that is was not pretty obivious before......
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Was he wearing a polo shirt? Was he carrying a tiki torch? Then how scary could he have been?

The BLM and ANTIFA started all the violence at Charlottesville. That "DeAndre" Spook included.
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Protip: If you’re trying to move people away from the whole “white supremacy” association, maybe don’t uses racial slurs. It’s kind of self-defeating.

Reminds me of this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BC0eJOJZvQ
 
dudalb said:
And another bigot outs himself....

Not that is was not pretty obivious before......
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Your avatar probably triggers them...

More subtle than Shemp's but appropriate for this thread...
 
uke2se said:
And yet you are convinced the Nazis are right to say that the media doesn't give the whole picture?
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In this case, yes, because they aren't.


I've seen an awful lot of news stories talking about Deandre Harris, being beaten by white supremacists. I have seen video clips and single frame shots accompanying those stories. Not once have I seen any reference to that other fellow lying on the ground six feet away from Deandre Harris. They've never mentioned him. They've never told us that he was beaten while lying on the ground. He's just non-existent in the news stories. He is lying there on the ground in the photos that go along with the news stories, but he isn't mentioned. My knowledge of that man comes from the youtube videos, most from alt-right sources.

In my opinion, the story of that man being beaten is just as relevant as Deandre Harris being beaten, and in fact the knowledge of him being beaten is critical to understanding how Deandre Harris ended up being beaten. In this case, the mainstream media is telling only part of the story and, as a result, a lot of people have rather skewed views of what happened that day.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
BTW, y'all keep using epithets. I'm going to as well. Hope I don't trigger you.
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Don't like being lumped in with Nazis? Sometimes, you are judged by the company you keep.

To repeat something I said a few weeks back, there were lots of different sorts of folks at that rally. There were white supremacists, and white nationalists, and neo-Nazis, and kkk supporters, and each of those groups are different from the others, but the things those groups have in common are more significant to me than their differences, and "Nazi" is a lot easier to type.
 
Harris' attorney speaks out:


https://www.theroot.com/deandre-harris-attorney-speaks-out-about-charges-says-1819354698


Key points:

Attorney claims that Harris missed when Harris attacked the complainant, who is identified as some bloke named Crews.
Attorney claims the attack was in defense of Corey Long, who was being attacked by Crews.
Attorney claims that the injuries sustained by Crews were caused by a different attack, by a white male antifa member. There's a picture of Crews being struck with a pipe.


So, it will get sorted out. As long as there is no evidence contradicting the story that Long was being attacked, I think Harris will walk. From the story, it sounds like he has a good lawyer who is donating his services.

ETA: It's a bit hard to identify which Nazi is which in these videos. This particular group of them are all middle aged, overweight,white guys in tan khakis and black shirts.
 
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One more youtube video, this one not from a white supremacist or any variation thereof.



This guy has put together a collection of clips, without narration. I haven't watched the whole 30 minute video, but it has the start of the parking garage fight.

As the Nazis walk down the street, Corey Long is seen creeping behind one of them, identified as Harold Crews, who is carrying a flag. Long reaches out, and grabs the flag, in an apparent attempt to steal it. (This sort of thing, stealing flags, signs, and shields, was going on all day on both sides. Very amusing in its own way. Quite primitive.) That was the beginning of the flag tussle. It was during that tussle that Deandre Harris jumped in and hit, or attempted to hit, Harold Crews in the head.

It's up to the lawyers to convince the judge and/or jury that Mr. Harris was attempting to defend Corey Long. I think the best thing for me to do is just to let the interested parties view the videos and make their own judgements. The "flag grab" by Corey Long occurs at 16:15 of the video.

Earlier, I identified the "unconscious Nazi" as the same man attacked by Harris. That was incorrect. All those Nazis look alike, but the videos here make it clear they are not the same guy.
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
A person can believe the media isn't giving the whole picture independently of what Nazis believe. Nazis probably largely believe breathing is useful for staying alive.

Do you agree with the Nazis?(!)

Why is biased presentation or going light on the details such a far-fetched claim? Is this out of step with the way they do just about everything else?
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What's happening here isn't actually a well based charge that the media is telling fibs. It's anomaly searching using white supremacist video sources. I don't buy it.
 
Meadmaker said:
In this case, yes, because they aren't.


I've seen an awful lot of news stories talking about Deandre Harris, being beaten by white supremacists. I have seen video clips and single frame shots accompanying those stories. Not once have I seen any reference to that other fellow lying on the ground six feet away from Deandre Harris. They've never mentioned him. They've never told us that he was beaten while lying on the ground. He's just non-existent in the news stories. He is lying there on the ground in the photos that go along with the news stories, but he isn't mentioned. My knowledge of that man comes from the youtube videos, most from alt-right sources.

In my opinion, the story of that man being beaten is just as relevant as Deandre Harris being beaten, and in fact the knowledge of him being beaten is critical to understanding how Deandre Harris ended up being beaten. In this case, the mainstream media is telling only part of the story and, as a result, a lot of people have rather skewed views of what happened that day.
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This is just wrong. There might just be a reason for why the other guy not being mentioned. It might be that Deandre Harris was attacked by multiple assailants and then clubbed while lying down. It could be that this isn't what happened to the other guy. It could just be that you are looking for something that doesn't exist. Either way, it has nothing to do with the attack on Deandre Harris.

But, if you want to go out of your way to ascertain whether or not a Nazi was actually beaten up, go ahead. Would it change your opinion on Nazis if it turned out to be true? Would it change your opinion on anti-Nazis? Do you imagine anyone else's opinions would change?
 
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uke2se said:
This is just wrong. There might just be a reason for why the other guy not being mentioned. It might be that Deandre Harris was attacked by multiple assailants and then clubbed while lying down. It could be that this isn't what happened to the other guy. It could just be that you are looking for something that doesn't exist. Either way, it has nothing to do with the attack on Deandre Harris.

But, if you want to go out of your way to ascertain whether or not a Nazi was actually beaten up, go ahead. Would it change your opinion on Nazis if it turned out to be true? Would it change your opinion on anti-Nazis? Do you imagine anyone else's opinions would change?
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This is just wrong. It could be that you are denying something that does exist.

But, if you want to go out of your way to ascertain that no criminal assault on nazis could ever have occurred, go ahead.

Seriously uke2se, it seems that your ideology blinds you judgement. Almost as if no assault could possibly be criminal when the victim is a nazi.
 
uke2se said:
This is just wrong. There might just be a reason for why the other guy not being mentioned. It might be that Deandre Harris was attacked by multiple assailants and then clubbed while lying down. It could be that this isn't what happened to the other guy. It could just be that you are looking for something that doesn't exist. Either way, it has nothing to do with the attack on Deandre Harris.

But, if you want to go out of your way to ascertain whether or not a Nazi was actually beaten up, go ahead. Would it change your opinion on Nazis if it turned out to be true? Would it change your opinion on anti-Nazis? Do you imagine anyone else's opinions would change?
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We don't have to deal with "might be" and "could be" when it comes to what happened in the parking garage. There's video of it. That most recent youtube link I posted had more clips from more angles to make it much more clear than what I posted previously.

As for your questions in the second paragraph, they are very interesting. It says something about the way so many people look at news.
 
The combination of youtube, google, and ubiquitous cell phones is really amazing.

Looking at all the different clips, it's really interesting to see how people want to focus on one aspect over another. It really is a case of the blind men and the elephant.

One thing that I had been wondering about is how the "unconscious Nazi" got that way. Well, it turns out he had taken a swipe at Deandre Harris, and was then chased down and beaten by a couple of other men. He also got up and walked away after the crowd was dispersed. He seemed dazed, but not knocked cold. I mentioned the staff carried by the man in the pink shirt. I wondered who brings a staff to a rally. I'm pretty sure it's a stolen Nazi flagpole, but with the flag removed. There appears to be a remnant on the pole.
 
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Oystein said:
This is just wrong. It could be that you are denying something that does exist.

But, if you want to go out of your way to ascertain that no criminal assault on nazis could ever have occurred, go ahead.

Seriously uke2se, it seems that your ideology blinds you judgement. Almost as if no assault could possibly be criminal when the victim is a nazi.
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*shrug* I'd even admit to that being the case to me. I have no issues embracing my bias though. That's always been funny to me, as "skeptics" we aren't supposed to condone or forgive violence against people who want other people dead for nothing more than the color of their skin because...skeptic.

**** Nazi's. All of them. I don't have to accept them because Freedom of Speech exists, but I do believe if you do the crime then you should be held accountable for it. Either way though, never feel bad for punching a nazi in the mouth.
 
plague311 said:
That's always been funny to me, as "skeptics" we aren't supposed to condone or forgive violence against people who want other people dead for nothing more than the color of their skin because...skeptic.
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It isn't funny. Skepticism is hard because it goes against our easier, worse nature's.
 
BobTheCoward said:
It isn't funny. Skepticism is hard because it goes against our easier, worse nature's.
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You really can't tell me if something is funny or not to me, just sayin'. I can determine that all on my own, thanks.

Wanting to punch Nazi's in the face isn't a "worse nature". So your point is moot. Punching Nazi's is what your reaction is supposed to be. They want other people dead because of their skin color. Nothing more. You should want those people to be gone, change, or whatever.
 
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