Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Hlafordlaes said:
Pruitt announces the "War on coal is over."
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I was coming here to post the same thing from a different source.

Under President Barack Obama, the EPA estimated the Clean Power Plan could prevent 2,700 to 6,600 premature deaths and 140,000 to 150,000 asthma attacks in children.
When asked earlier this year on Fox News about the health consequences of doing away with the Clean Power Plan, Pruitt ducked the question and focused on how the plan would cost jobs.
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It's all about the money*. Children? They're not worth protecting after they're born.


*Money, and erasing everything that President Obama did. "2009-2016? Nothing happened those years. We were all on vacation."
 
phiwum said:
You live in California. Trump wasn't going to win California, just like he wasn't going to win Massachusetts. None of your progressive buddies did a darned thing to hurt Hillary's odds.

Now, some of the folks in Pennsylvania might have screwed things up, say. But we all make our choices and they owe us no apology. Maybe they made bad choices, but it happens. It was a choice they were allowed to make and I can forgive them.

Not sure why you can't. The people who voted for Trump are the main reason he's in office. Even these folk I don't hate, for the most part, but pity them for falling for an obvious charlatan.
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I unfriended anyone that voted Stein regardless of where they lived.
 
Travis said:
I unfriended anyone that voted Stein regardless of where they lived.
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We all make our choices. I was mighty disappointed that one of my close friends (and all of my immediate family) voted Trump, but I don't "unfriend" that way.

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I tried to keep the Trump voters around so I could bombard them with my anger but I think most of them have now blocked me.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
Pruitt announces the "War on coal is over."

Thank God the free market, where natural gas and other sources beat coal, will be free no longer. Trump's Soviet central planners have decided industrial policy should benefit their donor cronies, and serve to shore up the power of the Politburo among the rank-and-file party comrades. Capitalism is dead, long live the GOP!
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Don't worry... things are actually worse than you think...

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/29/reu...-scale-to-save-u-s-coal-and-nuclear-kemp.html
...Energy Secretary Rick Perry has directed the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) to consider a new grid resiliency rule.
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Eligible units must ... be able to provide essential energy and ancillary reliability services and have a 90-day fuel supply on-site in the event of supply disruptions
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Solar and wind farms do not store fuel and gas-fired power plants do not stockpile anything like 90 days of gas on site, relying instead on pipeline deliveries.
So not only are they removing environmental regulations, they are actually considering adding regulations which artificially favor coal fired plants.

The problem is... coal plants may not necessarily be best in an emergency. (When we had a severely cold winter a few years ago, electrical production at coal plants fell because their mechanical components froze up.
 
Trebuchet said:
Donald J. Trump Proclaims October 9, 2017, as #ColumbusDay"

In the middle of the day. Which is scheduled on the calendar I bought back before Christmas. Geez, Donald, did you just think that up yourself? Like the word "fake", which nobody ever used before?
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It's the same as him insisting on "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays". In this case, it's "Columbus Day" vs. "Indigenous Peoples' Day". Real Americans don't acknowledge the existence of other cultures.
 
Armitage72 said:
It's the same as him insisting on "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays". In this case, it's "Columbus Day" vs. "Indigenous Peoples' Day". Real Americans don't acknowledge the existence of other cultures.
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Especially those that originated in, ya' know, America. Or Columbia. Or whatever the actual natives called it.

I have Scandanavian ancestry. Leif Eriksen day FTW!
 
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Bill Pruitt, in interview, expanded a little on the Mark Burnett tapes in which Trump allegedly went on the kind of expletive-riddled racist tirades that make your jaw drop.

I'd like one of these guys to just say 'screw the non disclosure agreement' and somehow produce the tapes, not that I really believe it would deter his base or even elected Republican officials from supporting him. Sad.
 
Segnosaur said:
The problem is... coal plants may not necessarily be best in an emergency. (When we had a severely cold winter a few years ago, electrical production at coal plants fell because their mechanical components froze up.
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Coal fired plants aren't particularly good because:

  • Compared to modern gas-fired plants, they are very inefficient. A coal-fired power station will be 33-35% efficient. A CHP gas fired unit will be more than 60% efficient
  • "Running up" a coal fired unit takes 8-12 hours. Corners can be cut if you don't mind reducing the operational life of the unit but it'll still take 4-6 hours. Coal fired units really aren't a good answer to energency power generation. Back in the day, the UK used to keep several coal-fired units on "hot standby" (fired up but not generating power) which is quite wasteful. This is no longer required because gas-fired units can be online in tens of minutes
  • Coal-fired units are really only useful for "baseload" generation. If they run at anything less than 100% of capacity they are even less efficient
 
The Don said:
Coal fired plants aren't particularly good because:

  • Compared to modern gas-fired plants, they are very inefficient. A coal-fired power station will be 33-35% efficient. A CHP gas fired unit will be more than 60% efficient
  • "Running up" a coal fired unit takes 8-12 hours. Corners can be cut if you don't mind reducing the operational life of the unit but it'll still take 4-6 hours. Coal fired units really aren't a good answer to energency power generation. Back in the day, the UK used to keep several coal-fired units on "hot standby" (fired up but not generating power) which is quite wasteful. This is no longer required because gas-fired units can be online in tens of minutes
  • Coal-fired units are really only useful for "baseload" generation. If they run at anything less than 100% of capacity they are even less efficient
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Pardon my ignorance in this subject, which is vast, but is having a reserve of coal around such a bad idea? I know that such a policy could have a major downside, but can non-coal-firing plants work with it at all? For all its filth, it has been a reliable energy source for centuries. Requiring it to be stored on site might artificially extend coal mining's life and create a few jobs. But there's no point in storing it at a nuclear plant if that plant can't run on coal.

Still, local stockpiles could conceivably be a backup source of energy in case the grid is radically disrupted. I'm not even talking about power generation, just a default fuel in case anyone really need it for heat, to boil water, to cook, etc. I'd think it would be more stable, less inclined to go boom than a big tank of gas would be.

It's a pretty creative move, IMO, on the part of coal interest, and will try to educate myself.
 
Minoosh said:
Pardon my ignorance in this subject, which is vast, but is having a reserve of coal around such a bad idea? I know that such a policy could have a major downside, but can non-coal-firing plants work with it at all? For all its filth, it has been a reliable energy source for centuries. Requiring it to be stored on site might artificially extend coal mining's life and create a few jobs. But there's no point in storing it at a nuclear plant if that plant can't run on coal.

Still, local stockpiles could conceivably be a backup source of energy in case the grid is radically disrupted. I'm not even talking about power generation, just a default fuel in case anyone really need it for heat, to boil water, to cook, etc. I'd think it would be more stable, less inclined to go boom than a big tank of gas would be.

It's a pretty creative move, IMO, on the part of coal interest, and will try to educate myself.
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Coal-fired power stations aren't a bad thing except they are expensive, inefficient and inflexible. If the purpose of the "90 day" stockpile is to provide emergency reserve generating capacity then there are better ways to do that than using coal-fired power stations.

We have a oil-burning AGA range which is like a coal-fired power station in many ways. It's inefficient and expensive to run, it operates best at full capacity and it takes half a day to come up to temperature. It provides emergency backup cooking capacity in the event of an electricity cut in the same way that coal-fired power stations can provide emergency generating capacity.

Unless the emergency is long-lasting then it's pretty useless - you can't cook on it for 12 hours or so. Contrast that to our gas-fired grill which also has a gas ring burner. We can be cooking on that more or less immediately.

Regarding the wider question of using coal as a domestic fuel. Ignoring the issues of how dirty a fuel it is, both in terms of simply handling it and the pollution it produces, the biggest drawback is that so few modern buildings (say those built since 1970) in the developed world can make use of it. We have a multifuel stove in the living room which can burn coal but that's it. Most people in cities wouldn't have anything that can burn coal and even people who live rurally may only have a log/wood burning stove.
 
The problem with the energy infrastructure is that what makes sense ins't necessarily what is profitable.
While load stability is a criterion, it is much lower on the list than profitability at peak.

As with all types of infrastructure, there are serious drawbacks to let the market make the decisions.
 
Coal can only be used in coal fired boilers.
Coal has to be pulverised to powder and is 'blown' in to the boiler where it burns and heats tubes of water until they flash in to steam
Coal fired plant takes a time to bring on line as the boilers have to heat up. They have to be brought up in the right way or you can get uneven expansion in the boiler water tubes and drums that can crack tubes or joints and cause damage.
 
Trebuchet said:
Donald J. Trump Proclaims October 9, 2017, as #ColumbusDay"

In the middle of the day. Which is scheduled on the calendar I bought back before Christmas. Geez, Donald, did you just think that up yourself? Like the word "fake", which nobody ever used before?
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Good to see him standing up for foreigners coming in to countries and start killing, raping and enslaving people while spreading diseases along with their worthless religion.

Columbus was clearly a man to emulate.
 
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Trebuchet said:
Especially those that originated in, ya' know, America. Or Columbia. Or whatever the actual natives called it.

I have Scandanavian ancestry. Leif Eriksen day FTW!
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North America is often referred to as "Turtle Island" in various indigenous native languages.
 
Good lord.

He counterpunches, in this case firing a shot at Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who reportedly called his boss a moron: "I think it's fake news, but if he did that, I guess we'll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win."
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