Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Garrison said:
Yeah the search for any grand strategy in Trump's victory looks increasingly futile. The awful truth may be that it was a freak accident of circumstance and there is no specific thing anyone can do to prevent it happening again.

The only good news here is with Trump alienating the Senate his agenda is harder to get through, but even there I think there's pretty broad support amongst the Republican's to cut taxes for the rich.
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And to gut any Federal support for womens' reproductive care.
 
quadraginta said:
And to gut any Federal support for womens' reproductive care.
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Yup. As long as Trump keeps Republicans happy on policy issues I can't really imagine too many GOP Congressmen eager to commit political suicide or thwart their own agendas by trying to bring him down. Be interesting to see what happens if he brings back something they really don't like in the NAFTA renegotiation.
 
Civet said:
Yup. As long as Trump keeps Republicans happy on policy issues I can't really imagine too many GOP Congressmen eager to commit political suicide or thwart their own agendas by trying to bring him down. Be interesting to see what happens if he brings back something they really don't like in the NAFTA renegotiation.
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I wonder if this will make any impression on them.


The most powerful US corporate lobby group has launched a broadside against Donald Trump over his stance on renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement.

The US Chamber of Commerce said on Friday the Trump administration's proposals appeared designed to sabotage the Nafta negotiations and lay the groundwork for a US withdrawal that would be catastrophic for the country’s economy.

“We are increasingly concerned about the state of play in the negotiations. We see these proposals as highly dangerous,” said John Murphy, the chamber’s senior vice-president for international policy. “This will do harm.”
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quadraginta said:
I wonder if this will make any impression on them.


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I hadn't seen that, thanks. I think stuff like this could create real problems for Trump. Opposition from people the Republicans actually care about and respect. I don't think the alt-right is gloating about wanting to taste the sweet, salty tears of job creators. Maybe they can be dismissed as Soros-connected globalists or something?
 
phiwum said:
Most Stein voters were not in battleground states, for goodness sake. I could have voted for Stein, had I liked her, and it would have made no difference in the world.
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That's true but it is also true for any other candidate in any other election. One's individual vote or non-vote doesn't matter. But what matters is if many such voters take the same stance. Then maybe it becomes pivotal.

I suspect that's what happened in some states where HRC lost. Individual who stayed home because she was so certain to win or because they did like her were correct one-by-one that their decision didn't matter but collectively they made a huge boo-boo.
 
Civet said:
Yup. As long as Trump keeps Republicans happy on policy issues I can't really imagine too many GOP Congressmen eager to commit political suicide or thwart their own agendas by trying to bring him down. Be interesting to see what happens if he brings back something they really don't like in the NAFTA renegotiation.
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Agreed but I think it will be more interesting if (when?) Mueller comes up with damning evidence that Trump collaborated with, or is deeply indebted to the Russians. Would that crystallize their spine? I sure don't know.
 
SezMe said:
Agreed but I think it will be more interesting if (when?) Mueller comes up with damning evidence that Trump collaborated with, or is deeply indebted to the Russians. Would that crystallize their spine? I sure don't know.
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Republicans have been busily rehabilitating Russia ever since Trump won the election.

I don't think there's any spine there to crystallize.
 
quadraginta said:
Republicans have been busily rehabilitating Russia ever since Trump won the election.

I don't think there's any spine there to crystallize.
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Lacking any backbone, they can make a 180 on Russia whenever the herd says so (or the PAC money) without dying of self-loathing.
 
Stacko said:
How is he not pushing for impeachment and the 25th Amendment to be used at this point?
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Such a move would be very risky for the first person or people to propose it and if successful would be very damaging to the GOP. Unless there really was an imminent threat of President Trump starting WWIII (and in that case it would be too late to begin proceedings that would last months) then the risk/reward equation isn't right.

In any case, there's no guarantee (heck there may not even be a high likelihood) of success. Impeaching The President is a slap in the face for the 80% of Republicans who think he's doing a fine job.

Stacko said:
Are tax cuts for the rich that all consuming to the GOP?
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There may be some of that but impeachment and/or article 25 proceedings would throw the government into chaos.
 
Some weeks ago, a number of people here were cheering the fact that the Democratic Party had struck a deal with President Trump over the debt limit. The Democratic Party leaders were also bullish about an agreement being made with President Trump about the dreamers. They were clear that President Trump had been clear that the deal would not include funding for the wall.

Shockingly enough, President Trump has now said that any deal for the Dreamers must include funding for the wall. :rolleyes:

The White House has tied any new deal on young undocumented immigrants to a clampdown on illegal immigration, including a border wall with Mexico.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41548363

When will people learn not to make deals with a man who has demonstrated time and again that he is a liar, and cannot be trusted not to break a deal ? :mad:
 
phiwum said:
Sorry, did you think they should come out and talk again about their protest votes?

I didn't vote for Stein. I threw away a vote for Clinton in a state that she was bound to win quite handily (MA). But your comment is honestly mindboggling, seeming to presume that every single time something about Trump comes up, Stein voters have a duty to pipe in and say, "Yeah, I voted for her and I still feel good about it!"

Most Stein voters were not in battleground states, for goodness sake. I could have voted for Stein, had I liked her, and it would have made no difference in the world. Turns out that I favored Hillary and took the time to cast a vote that also made no difference in the world. (I honestly usually don't bother to vote, but Trump was such an abhorrent candidate that I made an exception. For what it was worth. Which was, of course, exactly nothing, because Trump was not going to win MA with or without my vote.)
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They should at least apologize to all the marginalized communities now in danger because the Cheeto Fart won.

"Sorry you might all be wiped out now. But it was very important that everyone know I was special and needed to get my way or else I would throw a childish tantrum."
 
Travis said:
They should at least apologize to all the marginalized communities now in danger because the Cheeto Fart won.

"Sorry you might all be wiped out now. But it was very important that everyone know I was special and needed to get my way or else I would throw a childish tantrum."
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You live in California. Trump wasn't going to win California, just like he wasn't going to win Massachusetts. None of your progressive buddies did a darned thing to hurt Hillary's odds.

Now, some of the folks in Pennsylvania might have screwed things up, say. But we all make our choices and they owe us no apology. Maybe they made bad choices, but it happens. It was a choice they were allowed to make and I can forgive them.

Not sure why you can't. The people who voted for Trump are the main reason he's in office. Even these folk I don't hate, for the most part, but pity them for falling for an obvious charlatan.
 
NYT's profile of Trump speechwriter/Bannonite presence Stephen Miller is eye opening.

Mr. Miller set off on a patriotic semi-striptease before the editor of the student newspaper, according to the editor, Ari Rosmarin, theatrically removing a button-down to reveal an American flag T-shirt in protest of an article he found inconsistent with the national interest. (The White House denied any symbolic unbuttoning, though officials confirmed Mr. Miller’s fondness for the T-shirt.)

He jumped, uninvited, into the final stretch of a girls’ track meet, apparently intent on proving his athletic supremacy over the opposite sex. (The White House, reaching for exculpatory context, noted that this was a girls’ team from another school, not his own.)

Most memorably, classmates say, Mr. Miller established a reputation for barreling eagerly toward racial tinderboxes, leaving some to wonder whether his words were meant to be menacing or hammy. Jason Islas, who had been friendly with Mr. Miller in middle school, has little doubt.

Shortly before the start of ninth grade, Mr. Islas said, he received a call from Mr. Miller informing him that the two could no longer be friends.

“He gives me this litany of reasons,” Mr. Islas said.

Most were petty, if mean, he recalled: an insult about his social awkwardness, a dig at his acne-specked face. But one stuck out.

“He mentioned my Latino heritage as one of the reasons,” Mr. Islas said. “I remember coming away from the conversation being like, ‘O.K., that’s that.’”
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Pruitt announces the "War on coal is over."

Thank God the free market, where natural gas and other sources beat coal, will be free no longer. Trump's Soviet central planners have decided industrial policy should benefit their donor cronies, and serve to shore up the power of the Politburo among the rank-and-file party comrades. Capitalism is dead, long live the GOP!


ETA: Everything, every position, every policy the GOP has ever stated was a filthy lie. That includes Hero Raygun and his criminal administration. The only constant is the funneling of money in one direction.
 
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