Gratitude, Compulsion, Idiocy or Nobility?

[Thor 2]

Originally Posted by Thor 2
It can be difficult to distinguish between idiocy and profound thought at times.

I am having no trouble with it in these threads!!!!!

Me either to be honest.

 

[Kumar]

Wherein we see Kumar has a wrong-headed view of animal husbandry, agriculture, nature's processes and ultimately reality itself.

Dynamic or different.

 

[Kumar]

That's a completely meaningless response. Our own point of view may be important in some way, but it does not change what a plant does, or what nature is, how it grows, or why. To believe otherwise is ill-considered mystical mush.

If plants had a point of view, I suppose all harvesting would be seen as forcible but what difference does this make? To the poet, perhaps, the ivy assaults the wall, but a metaphor for the way the world works is not an insight into individual thoughts. Nature is arranged as it is. "Frogs Eat Butterflies. Snakes Eat Frogs. Hogs Eat Snakes. Men Eat Hogs.

There are of course some people who believe they are enlightened or ennobled by becoming more aware of their place in nature, but the plants themselves do not know who is a friend or foe of their species. In the land of vegetables individuality is elusive. If you live on fallen fruit like Lowell's prison pacifist companion, or talk to the corn like a Hopi, you do it for yourself.

You should get your muddy feet out of the world of medicine and read more poetry.

Sorry, will reality not be what we are getting and what we are giving in exchange?

 

[Kumar]

In a sudden flash of insight, I suspect he means "senior". While it doesn't make his posts make sense, at least it makes them comprehensibly nonsensical.

Dave

Yes thanks. Spell check. Are We humans not somewhat above all other species of beings? Therefore so prominent. So Senior most or eldest.

 

[JayUtah]

Sorry, will reality not be what we are getting and what we are giving in exchange?

How much time have you spent on an actual farm where actual food animals are raised?

 

[Kumar]

No, none of that is what actually happens in animals bred for food. Animals generally don't see others slaughtered, at least in a commercial slaughterhouse, because it's a restrained, individualized process. And let's say, in the hypothetical case, one hog sees the one in front of it slaughtered. It's too late then. What's he going to do, text all the other hogs?

Have you ever actually been to a farm?

At our place, it happens. Say like in a Chicken Broiler shop. Anyway, we can assume, suppose they see, will they still come back to home or not?

I think it is an Idiocy from the POV of animals. They over believe their owners who initially nurse them, even show love to them. They may feel, whoever is nurshing them or loving them, will not harm them. Say like a guardian, parent etc.

 

[Kumar]

How much time have you spent on an actual farm where actual food animals are raised?

Here such animals are also raised at home. At farm, I don't know if developing individual emotion is practical.

 

[Kumar]

You have no brains. Your mother did a lousy job raising you.

Mostly gave special.

 

[bruto]

Sorry, will reality not be what we are getting and what we are giving in exchange?

Huh? Is that meant, in some obscure and yet to be explained way, to relate to what I wrote? We get reality by not being stupid and imagining things that are not true. We do not give reality. It's already there.

A modest start could be made by making responses at least appear relevant to the subject under discussion. Even downright error is a step up from gibberish.

 

[Kumar]

Huh? Is that meant, in some obscure and yet to be explained way, to relate to what I wrote? We get reality by not being stupid and imagining things that are not true. We do not give reality. It's already there.

A modest start could be made by making responses at least appear relevant to the subject under discussion. Even downright error is a step up from gibberish.

Truth, Rational, need & greed and Selfish interests are different terms.

 

[fuelair]

You have no brains. Your mother did a lousy job raising you.

Well and truly said!!!!

 

[JayUtah]

At our place, it happens. Say like in a Chicken Broiler shop. Anyway, we can assume, suppose they see, will they still come back to home or not?

I'm not interested in your assumptions. Your question is based on a premise for which you provide no evidence.

I think it is an Idiocy from the POV of animals. They over believe their owners who initially nurse them, even show love to them. They may feel, whoever is nurshing them or loving them, will not harm them. Say like a guardian, parent etc.

No. You have shown no evidence that the animals you describe are capable of that level of cognition. You are simply assuming that animals have the same cognitive and emotional development as humans.

 

[fuelair]

Mostly gave special.

I believe you on that!!!!!!!!! Note: that I do is NOT a good thing!!!!!!

 

[JayUtah]

Here such animals are also raised at home. At farm, I don't know if developing individual emotion is practical.

I grew up in Kansas, in American beef country. My brother in law's family owns a ranch in Montana that's large enough to show up as a square on a map of Montana, not merely a dot. What you're trying to attribute to food animals has absolutely no basis in reality. Do you have any evidence that individual food animals raised in single-family domestic situations have any of the cognitive development you're claiming?

 

[Kumar]

I get the distinct feeling that English is not your primary language and I am unable to decipher your meaning. Sorry.

Sorry. Simply, Are those animals not Idiots who misunderstand their owners by over believing them, who initially nurse & love them but slaughter ultimately? Can't say, if those poor animals also feel that their owners being human are senior most among all beings so will consider them like guardian or parents?

 

[JayUtah]

Sorry. Simply, Are those animals not Idiots who misunderstand their owners by over believing them, who initially nurse & love them but slaughter ultimately? Can't say, if those poor animals also feel that their owners being human are senior most among all beings so will consider them like guardian or parents?

You've shown no evidence that the food animals you're describing are capable of this degree of cognition. You're assumptively anthropomorphizing them.

 

[Kumar]

I'm not interested in your assumptions. Your question is based on a premise for which you provide no evidence.



No. You have shown no evidence that the animals you describe are capable of that level of cognition. You are simply assuming that animals have the same cognitive and emotional development as humans.

May it not be happening at your place but definately happening at my place. Personal experiance. Therefore I said, let us assume...

 

[JayUtah]

May it not be happening at your place but definately happening at my place. Personal experiance.

No, that's special pleading. You've shown no evidence that the food animals with which you're personally acquainted are capable of the degree of cognition you attribute to them.

Therefore I said, let us assume...

No, you have provided no basis for rational assumption. You have simply roundly projected human emotional and cognitive processes onto animals. Your question fails because its major premise is an irrational assumption.

 

[Kumar]

No, that's special pleading. You've shown no evidence that the food animals with which you're personally acquainted are capable of the degree of cognition you attribute to them.



No, you have provided no basis for rational assumption. You have simply roundly projected human emotional and cognitive processes onto animals. Your question fails because its major premise is an irrational assumption.

Do you want to impress that they don't feel pain as we feel?

Likewise:

Don't they have natural right to life because nursed by others?

Don't they have right to have emotions, fear, pain and right to believe their elders & nursers?

Further evidence: you can do google search for youtube live presentation by it; "This How American Treat,Kill Animals No Mercy". I hesitate to give link.

 

[Kumar]

http://i2.wp.com/www.worldpeacediet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Animals-kill-for-need.jpg

I can't say, how much it is true? We need to go into the history of killing.