Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[fagin]

Debate with you?
You flatter yourself.
It would be like debating a poo flinging chimp.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Yes, and they are nonsense where actual christians point out his heresy

You will have to go and read again. They never really say it is heresy. They just struggle with the ideas. That is to be understood.

and eventually ban him.

Yep some did. Long ago. And some didn't. Presently they actually accept it but with questions. Only one forum banned me. And only when I spelled out the consequences.

https://web.facebook.com/zolagxowa.zola

And these that accepted the consequences are actually the area where I live. They should be taken seriously.

You taking something out of the context again and making your own context.
That is something that will get you into trouble. If you do not understand do not give you out as somebody that does. You are just misrepresenting the facts.

Very selfish of you leading others on a skew road. Wanting them to believe what you do. Rather give them the true facts and leave them to form their own judgments.

But ok. Humans are foolish by nature. Not to be judged for what you are. But when Wisdom comes and you reject it that will be sure reason for judgment.

Somehow, this persecution complex is supposed to convince somebody of something.

Yep. There is something. But you should have gotten it by now.

Amidst, or betwixt, or some other mangling of english as she is goodly spoke, our OP has steadfastly refused to demonstrate that any god of any description actually exists. I wonder why that is?

The mistake is not mine. I am right in front of your very eyes. For how long now? And you stay blind.


That is really bad. Some that started to see, see you now. And they are starting to speak up. Against you.

 

[abaddon]

You will have to go and read again. They never really say it is heresy. They just struggle with the ideas. That is to be understood.



Yep some did. Long ago. And some didn't. Presently they actually accept it but with questions. Only one forum banned me. And only when I spelled out the consequences.

https://web.facebook.com/zolagxowa.zola

That is not a forum.

And these that accepted the consequences are actually the area where I live. They should be taken seriously.

Why?

You taking something out of the context again and making your own context.
That is something that will get you into trouble. If you do not understand do not give you out as somebody that does. You are just misrepresenting the facts.

Very selfish of you leading others on a skew road. Wanting them to believe what you do. Rather give them the true facts and leave them to form their own judgments.

But ok. Humans are foolish by nature. Not to be judged for what you are. But when Wisdom comes and you reject it that will be sure reason for judgment.

Yep. There is something. But you should have gotten it by now.

What a load of bollocks. You remain full of claims, yet empty on evidence for those claims

The mistake is not mine. I am right in front of your very eyes. For how long now? And you stay blind.

Not you are not "right in front of my eyes". You are thousands of miles away making claims which you cannot support.

That is really bad. Some that started to see, see you now. And they are starting to speak up. Against you.

Point them out. Go ahead. Make my lunchtime amusing.

 

[Johanabrahams]

You claimed to have murdered "Tom", remember?

Actually I said that me and God had "sex". Then with Tom's permission I "killed" him as a human being and raised him up as a godly being. And I did it right in front of your eyes with a link.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/king/messages/?msg=424.20

So then tell me where the "murder" comes from?

And really, you have flat out told us that you put your own mother in an early grave,

Nope I did not. She left Robertson and died approximately 10 years later in Bloemfontein while we had a good relationship going. She was always at least once a week calling me on the phone just to tell me how she is converting people in the Old Age home where she was staying according to the Truth she got from me.

So actually her last years was a great excitement and fulfillment to her because of me. And not many has that grace from God to live their last years like that.

and harassed and abused your former wife and children to the extent that they were forced to seek legal redress.

At the time she decided to divorce me we were not together for almost 12 years. So how do you see that to be the reason?

I am not making this up. You have stated so both here and elsewhere.

Yep. All the things you are saying here I "stated". Only you are making your own context. Falling with Craig4 into his hole. That is the danger of siding with someone. If he is in the wrong you get to be in the same wrong. It is about the spirit behind him which is then also taking you capture. And you too is now together trying to shame me before God. And that with an evil spirit. Good/God always conquer evil/devil.

In fact, I have verified with others that this is indeed what you actually did.

Which you are hiding away. Your "back speaking" has no value.

And you are proud of that?

This is all your misconstructions. And therefor the "proud" has no effect. You should try to find real Truth. Only that is honored by God. But you are on the right track. If you see the feeling/spirit life that do exist you are making progress. Because that is actually what is controlling humans.

You just have to find valid facts. Up to now you are using your "misconstructions" to do that. You should be more thorough in your approach. Then you can built a better case which the True Judge might accept.

We are not playing games here. We are busy with real Life. We have people in our hands. You cannot say what you want. God does not allow that. He is a Righteous Judge.

So go do your homework thoroughly. Sloppiness are not tolerated with God. You will just get disciplined for that.

 

[TofuFighter]

> claims to have been banned from everywhere
> gets mad when you say he's been banned, you misleader!

> posts multiple irrelevant links despite multiple requests to show relevance
> gets mad when you don't read his links

> 'prove god exists'
> says unironically: 'I'm right here!!', also: look at this picture of a drunk guy. Proof!

SMH. This act is getting stale. Maybe it works on the drunkards in the Nqubela shebeen, maybe not. I doubt it.

 

[abaddon]

Actually I said that me and God had "sex".

Except you didn't.

Then with Tom's permission I "killed" him as a human being and raised him up as a godly being.

Except you didn't.

And I did it right in front of your eyes with a link.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/king/messages/?msg=424.20

More unevidenced wild claims.

So then tell me where the "murder" comes from?

I didn't enter that side discussion so I don't really care. Clearly, you are unable to keep straight who actually said what about anything, which is odd because the whole thread is right here for your reference. It was you that raised that matter in the first place.

Nope I did not. She left Robertson and died approximately 10 years later in Bloemfontein while we had a good relationship going. She was always at least once a week calling me on the phone just to tell me how she is converting people in the Old Age home where she was staying according to the Truth she got from me.

So actually her last years was a great excitement and fulfillment to her because of me. And not many has that grace from God to live their last years like that.

I prefer to trust those who have demonstrated their honesty.

At the time she decided to divorce me we were not together for almost 12 years. So how do you see that to be the reason?

to all intents and purposes, you had no marriage in that case.

Yep. All the things you are saying here I "stated". Only you are making your own context. Falling with Craig4 into his hole. That is the danger of siding with someone. If he is in the wrong you get to be in the same wrong. It is about the spirit behind him which is then also taking you capture. And you too is now together trying to shame me before God. And that with an evil spirit. Good/God always conquer evil/devil.

Neither god nor devils exist. Disagree? Provide your evidence for either.

Which you are hiding away. Your "back speaking" has no value.

Your unevidenced claims have evil desires behind them.

This is all your misconstructions. And therefor the "proud" has no effect. You should try to find real Truth. Only that is honored by God. But you are on the right track. If you see the feeling/spirit life that do exist you are making progress. Because that is actually what is controlling humans.

And wrong again.

You just have to find valid facts. Up to now you are using your "misconstructions" to do that. You should be more thorough in your approach. Then you can built a better case which the True Judge might accept.

How about you present any facts.

We are not playing games here. We are busy with real Life. We have people in our hands. You cannot say what you want. God does not allow that. He is a Righteous Judge.

God does not exist. You have been asked to demonstrate that any god exists and you have failed to do so. Furthermore, I see no sign of your god doing anything about my observation that the god of the bible is described as an outright immoral thug.

So go do your homework thoroughly. Sloppiness are not tolerated with God. You will just get disciplined for that.

Then why is god so sloppy?

 

[Craig4]

Waiting is always comfortable if you have Patience.



Nkqubela is part and parcel of Robertson.

https://web.facebook.com/zolagxowa.zola



Take a look again.

https://web.facebook.com/zolagxowa.zola

Some guy's Facebook page is not evidence of a god doing anything.

 

[kali1137]

They cannot win. They are fighting against God.

No, they are fighting against delusion and that is far harder to overcome.

Can someone explain to me what the facebook page he keeps linking to is supposed to prove? It shows two buddies hanging out and drinking. Am I missing something in that? Scrolled down a bit on the page and see no mention of gods or religion, just sports and usual things on facebook pages.

 

[TofuFighter]

Can someone explain to me what the facebook page he keeps linking to is supposed to prove? It shows two buddies hanging out and drinking. Am I missing something in that? Scrolled down a bit on the page and see no mention of gods or religion, just sports and usual things on facebook pages.

This has been my complaint for most of the thread.

There's no real way of knowing what the relevance of the linked FB page is. I don't believe there's any way of knowing what the relevance is of most of Johanabrahams' provided links.

It's very sloppy.

Of course I fully expect that you will get a response in the form of either:
- "so tell us some more"
- "yes, you don't see the "relevance"". <+bible verse & random forum link>
- "you seem to be "fumbling""

 

[Craig4]

No, they are fighting against delusion and that is far harder to overcome.

Can someone explain to me what the facebook page he keeps linking to is supposed to prove? It shows two buddies hanging out and drinking. Am I missing something in that? Scrolled down a bit on the page and see no mention of gods or religion, just sports and usual things on facebook pages.

No idea either. Most of her links are just more of her own claims. I'm at a loss as to what the FB page is supposed to prove. The "goddess" linked it as a response to my observation that gods either did stuff long ago are are going to. Nothing on the page relates to that.

 

[kali1137]

Good point. His rambling is never nonsense, we are just too "ignorant" to understand the rambling nonsense.

 

[abaddon]

No, they are fighting against delusion and that is far harder to overcome.

Indeed.

However, Johan makes occasional encouragement type statements like "you are making progress" almost as though he thinks he is making some impression on us godless heathens. As an atheist, I believe in no god/s any more than I believe in Santa, and there is a darned more actual physical evidence for Santa. Johan often attempts to purloin this into an affirmative claim that there definitely are no gods, which it certainly is not.

Can someone explain to me what the facebook page he keeps linking to is supposed to prove? It shows two buddies hanging out and drinking. Am I missing something in that? Scrolled down a bit on the page and see no mention of gods or religion, just sports and usual things on facebook pages.

Certainly. You simply have to have faith that a couple of random blokes on a bush bar bender are relevant to something. Who are they? Why are they drinking? What brand of beer is that, anyway? Hush, those questions and have faith that it is the most meaningful moment of your life. Those inner questions are simply Satan testing your faith. Cast the demon from you in the name of the supreme cocktail, the MOHITA.


Do you think I could have been a preacher? Seems kind of easy.

 

[abaddon]

No idea either. Most of her links are just more of her own claims. I'm at a loss as to what the FB page is supposed to prove. The "goddess" linked it as a response to my observation that gods either did stuff long ago are are going to. Nothing on the page relates to that.

He also cited it as a forum which banned him, which is more than odd as it is not a forum, and he is not banned from it.

He also cited it as a venue proving that somebody somewhere calls him "mother"...except that never happens either.

 

[kali1137]

Do you think I could have been a preacher? Seems kind of easy.

/derail - I once wanted to do a small social experiment where I started a religion - the church of the sea kittens(PETA joke) just to see how many I could dupe into taking it seriously. /end derail

But yes, I think I could get behind you as a preacher if we were worshipping a holy alcoholic drink. I too suspect that his response will be along the lines of we can't see the connection because we are evil.

 

[ferd burfle]

All this reminded me of a quote, attributed to Winston Churchill among others:

“There, but for the grace of God, goes God”

 

[Beady]

It is not about believing what it says. It is about understanding what I am saying. You need to learn about Love. That means you need to try your best to understand what I am saying. To live in selfishness is just a disgrace. So it can not be rejected when I am using it to say something.

If you do not want to walk the way of Love then you can reject understanding and just do as you please. Then you will fall into another catagory.

You will be classified with Craig4. Not understanding something and running with it. Making your own thing because you did not take Love seriously. Which in this instance is trying your best to understand me.

And Craig4 is in trouble. In a corner. Do not go there.



It is not about authority. It is about Love or selfishness. Love has the power to rule also.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/king





Good. Seems you are trying to understand them. So when it happens again tell me. Then we can see if it is like you said or just a question of you not understanding. At this stage your are blaming me without facts.

Then why do you blame me without facts? That is wrong. Part of selfishness trying to put me to shame with no facts. That is why you need Love. Then you will not be so selfish in your debating.






But actually it is you not understanding. As will the following proof.

Why do you think it was "hard to quit typing all-caps"? And why do you link it with there is no way to make me understand with the fact that I understood all-caps vs quote and changed to your understanding?

Trying to say now I can not understand what is better. With using the fact that I did understand what is better. So it just put you in a corner for using wrong facts to proof your point.

So why do you use my "understanding" to proof that I and not be made to understand?

Foolishness? Or are you the one who is "not understanding"? Or even worse taking something out of context again trying to say that I wanted selfishly to force my "caps" on you?

So let us see if you can answer truthfully here or if you are a coward running away from your mistakes. Only running into Craig4's corner.

This post gives an entirely new meaning to "obtuse."

I don't care what you do to the women and children, just leave me alone!

 

[abaddon]

/derail - I once wanted to do a small social experiment where I started a religion - the church of the sea kittens(PETA joke) just to see how many I could dupe into taking it seriously. /end derail

But yes, I think I could get behind you as a preacher if we were worshipping a holy alcoholic drink. I too suspect that his response will be along the lines of we can't see the connection because we are evil.

You need to work on the rare whiskeys. Enough of those and anything makes sense.

 

[Craig4]

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And Craig4 is in trouble. In a corner. Do not go there.

What corner do you imagine I'm in? What consequence is there for me? Is god at some point in the future going to do something to me? Why is your god waiting? How am I in trouble oh "goddess"?

Here's a hint: If I have to ask, I'm not in any real trouble.

 

[TofuFighter]

What corner do you imagine I'm in? What consequence is there for me? Is god at some point in the future going to do something to me? Why is your god waiting? How am I in trouble oh "goddess"?

Here's a hint: If I have to ask, I'm not in any real trouble.

Don't make me call Arglomemneon to come and shame you again for your being all protestant.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Wrong. They asked me not to identify individuals for fear of your violence.

And what "violence" is that?

Bollocks. I have made no "pact with evil". That is entirely in your lurid imagination.

To do things behind somebody's back which you agreed not to speak about and then come here and say how bad it was without facts. Making my name bad without facts is evil.

You spoke behind my back and got "evidence" behind my back. And you were silenced to say nothing. You made a "pact with evil".

Load of rubbish.

Nope. You said so yourself.

Yes. I know what you did. It wasn't godly.

And what was that?

And what do you do with true accusers?

Where are they?

Meaningless bible-babble.

Nope.

It is a matter of record. I made no agreement with anyone in this matter.

You said so yourself.

How does it feel? Satisfying. Pointing out internet cranks and their abject nonsense is not only justified, I consider it a moral imperative.

So go ahead.

Is it? Then why are you running away from demonstrating that any god exists? Let alone your borked version of god.

You looking at him.

Really? Why are you so scared at the prospect that any god exists let alone your messed up version? Why can't you answer that?

I exist.

No, he didn't

Says you.

Sorry, barfing random gigle quotes means nothing.

Do you not understand it or do you not want to understand what I am saying?

Wow. Abject racism. No, your former pastors, neighbours and family have rejected you and you plainly cannot handle it.

Rejected me for what? And how do you see that I can not handle it?

So how about you demonstrate that any god exists, let alone your peculiar god? You seem to be avoiding that.

As I said. You re looking at Him.