Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

[Belz...]

"Of the documents in the ITS Archives, 85 percent have been digitized and can be seen and used for research at computer stations in our reading rooms."

If you publicly question the holohoax on the way to the ITS reading room you will be arrested and thrown in jail for up to 5 years.

By the same logic, the USA doesn't exist because you could once get arrested for burning the US flag.

Your arguments amount to "look, squirrel!" None of them actually addresses the evidence presented. None of them have anything to do with it, actually. It's smoke and mirrors.

 

[Belz...]

Evidence that his testimony was coerced?

What are you talking about? Hoss was executed after his own trial. Are you not aware that criminals are often called to testify in order to catch other criminals?

And you dismiss this because?

And?

You have not given a single reason why his testimony should be dismissed. You simply said that he made his testimony, that he was poorly treated, and then... what?

Answer my points, Saggy.

 

[Dash80]

"Of the documents in the ITS Archives, 85 percent have been digitized and can be seen and used for research at computer stations in our reading rooms."

If you publicly question the holohoax on the way to the ITS reading room you will be arrested and thrown in jail for up to 5 years.

The Jews recently sent a 85 year old German woman, Ursula Haverbeck, to jail for 2 years for just that thought crime ....

[IMGW=500]https://i.imgur.com/Q6Xjs6J.jpg[/IMGW]

GERMAN courts are Jewish?

 

[Hans]

By the same logic, the USA doesn't exist because you could once get arrested for burning the US flag.

Your arguments amount to "look, squirrel!" None of them actually addresses the evidence presented. None of them have anything to do with it, actually. It's smoke and mirrors.

Yep all he is doing is trolling. He certain has not been trying to conduct a reasonable debate....unless he wants to be a chew toy for the fine folks here.

 

[Hans]

GERMAN courts are Jewish?

Well yeah, at least in Saggy world. There are 83 million German inhabitants and less than 100,000 Jews there - so obviously they control everything......

 

[Saggy]

Answer my points, Saggy.

I suggest a rather large hat, that should cover them adequately.

Seriously , once you, after reading Hoess's own account of his torture, asked for proof that his testimony was coerced, I concluded that you are beyond rational discussion.

 

[Dash80]

Well yeah, at least in Saggy world. There are 83 million German inhabitants and less than 100,000 Jews there - so obviously they control everything......

There used to be more, but...his heroes took care of that.

 

[Dash80]

I suggest a rather large hat, that should cover them adequately.

Seriously , once you, after reading Hoess's own account of his torture, asked for proof that his testimony was coerced, I concluded that you are beyond rational discussion.

Oh you mean the guy who very freely and candidly talked about his treatment in his memoirs? The guy whose testimony is largely supported by other testimony, documents and physical evidence?

 

[Saggy]

Well yeah, at least in Saggy world. There are 83 million German inhabitants and less than 100,000 Jews there - so obviously they control everything......

I think that is true, in collaboration with the US of course .... just googled for a minute, I've already wasted a whole morning ..... ....

Germany: Still Under Control of Foreign Powers

e.g. ....

"(i) Two days prior to the enactment of the German constitution on 23 May 1949, a Secret Treaty (Geheimer Staatsvertrag) was signed, which gave complete Allied control over electronic and print media, film, culture and education until the year 2099.

As a result thereof, there are still 100,000 occupation troops in Germany; after 66 years there still has been no peace treaty concluded between Germany and the Victorious Allied Powers; and all of Germany’s gold reserves are held in the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in which the Rothschilds have a 57% shareholding."

 

[Dash80]

I think that is true, in collaboration with the US of course .... just googled for a minute, I've already wasted a whole morning ..... ....

Germany: Still Under Control of Foreign Powers

e.g. ....

"(i) Two days prior to the enactment of the German constitution on 23 May 1949, a Secret Treaty (Geheimer Staatsvertrag) was signed, which gave complete Allied control over electronic and print media, film, culture and education until the year 2099.

As a result thereof, there are still 100,000 occupation troops in Germany; after 66 years there still has been no peace treaty concluded between Germany and the Victorious Allied Powers; and all of Germany’s gold reserves are held in the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in which the Rothschilds have a 57% shareholding."

Nice (completely unsupported) Nazi source.

 

[Belz...]

I suggest a rather large hat, that should cover them adequately.

Seriously , once you, after reading Hoess's own account of his torture, asked for proof that his testimony was coerced, I concluded that you are beyond rational discussion.

In other words, your interpretations are the only ones you'll accept as worthy of consideration. Either that, or you know you can't possibly support your claims, and are finding excuses to avoid doing so.

I think you're characterising yourself.

 

[Loss Leader]

Do you remember the Tawana Brawley case?

I do. I lived less than sixty miles from all of the places involved in the case. Brawley's story began disintegrating the moment it started. Doctors in the emergency room quickly determined that she was faking being passed out. Police officers received a bizarre interview. Eventually, Mike Taibbi would do award-winning journalism in unraveling the case. In Wappinger's Falls and Newburgh, he invented a fictional three-fingered man and found many teens who swore such a person had been seen. The FBI would run DNA tests to determine not just that she was covered in dog feces (and not her own as she claimed), but the exact dog it came from.

There was never a time, right from the beginning, that Brawley's story was accepted as fact. And by the time her abductors would have come to trial, she was being sued and her lawyers were losing their licences.

That hasn't happened with regard to the Holocaust.

It will be the end of Judaism as a viable religion.

You realize that you are playing an important part in helping reinforce knowledge of the Holocaust, right? Most people know generally what happened but they don't like to think about it very much. You cause them to look at sources, read documents and otherwise confront the information. They come out more knowledgeable and they are more likely to spread that knowledge.

In any case, Jewish identity runs much deeper than the Holocaust and it won't subside any time soon. If you don't believe me, visit any synagogue at any time, watch our rituals and talk to our adherents. We aren't going anywhere, at least not as long as I'm alive.

 

[Dash80]

I do. I lived less than sixty miles from all of the places involved in the case. Brawley's story began disintegrating the moment it started. Doctors in the emergency room quickly determined that she was faking being passed out. Police officers received a bizarre interview. Eventually, Mike Taibbi would do award-winning journalism in unraveling the case. In Wappinger's Falls and Newburgh, he invented a fictional three-fingered man and found many teens who swore such a person had been seen. The FBI would run DNA tests to determine not just that she was covered in dog feces (and not her own as she claimed), but the exact dog it came from.

There was never a time, right from the beginning, that Brawley's story was accepted as fact. And by the time her abductors would have come to trial, she was being sued and her lawyers were losing their licences.

That hasn't happened with regard to the Holocaust.





You realize that you are playing an important part in helping reinforce knowledge of the Holocaust, right? Most people know generally what happened but they don't like to think about it very much. You cause them to look at sources, read documents and otherwise confront the information. They come out more knowledgeable and they are more likely to spread that knowledge.

In any case, Jewish identity runs much deeper than the Holocaust and it won't subside any time soon. If you don't believe me, visit any synagogue at any time, watch our rituals and talk to our adherents. We aren't going anywhere, at least not as long as I'm alive.

Saggy visiting a synagogue?! Nah, he prefers to hide behind his keyboard spewing his hate and prejudice.

 

[Nessie]

.....and all of Germany’s gold reserves are held in the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in which the Rothschilds have a 57% shareholding.

That peaked my interest, for a change. It is, not surprisingly utter *****;

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/23/investing/germany-gold-reserves-new-york-paris/index.html

"The country's central bank announced Wednesday it has completed a program to repatriate gold bars worth nearly $31 billion from storage locations in New York and Paris.
Germany has been bringing gold home to Frankfurt from the two cities since 2013. The final 100 tons were moved from Paris earlier this year, the central bank said.
In total, 743 tons have been transferred. The project was completed three years ahead of schedule.
But it's also a recognition that times have changed: Germans are no longer worried about preventing their gold reserves from falling under Soviet control -- a real fear during the Cold War.
And the central bank no longer needs to keep gold in Paris as a protective measure that would allow it to quickly exchange international currency in an emergency. Both countries use the euro."

From the banks own website;

"Much of the gold in the vault arrived during and after World War II as many countries wanted to store their gold reserves in a safe location."

 

[Dash80]

That peaked my interest, for a change. It is, not surprisingly utter *****;

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/23/investing/germany-gold-reserves-new-york-paris/index.html

"The country's central bank announced Wednesday it has completed a program to repatriate gold bars worth nearly $31 billion from storage locations in New York and Paris.
Germany has been bringing gold home to Frankfurt from the two cities since 2013. The final 100 tons were moved from Paris earlier this year, the central bank said.
In total, 743 tons have been transferred. The project was completed three years ahead of schedule.
But it's also a recognition that times have changed: Germans are no longer worried about preventing their gold reserves from falling under Soviet control -- a real fear during the Cold War.
And the central bank no longer needs to keep gold in Paris as a protective measure that would allow it to quickly exchange international currency in an emergency. Both countries use the euro."

From the banks own website;

"Much of the gold in the vault arrived during and after World War II as many countries wanted to store their gold reserves in a safe location."

A denier twisted something as mundane and ordinary as that in to some kind of Jewish conspiracy?

Say it isn't so!

 

[LemmyCaution]

I think I'm done here, Saggy. I'll keep paying attention, your comments are comedy gold and help me with my list but replying to you is a waste of time. The others are doing a fine enough job torching you, they don't need my help.

Yeah there's no discussion going on here, just endless effort to try getting Saggy to debate in good faith. Everyone is trying, but Saggy is really "trying."

But we do get treated to Saggy's mindless repetition.

When he pulled out the goofy Bad Arolsen chestnut, a comedic moment at Rodoh over a year ago, I felt like saying enough, too. There is limited interest in the umpteenth debunking of Saggy's mangling of history and ancient, oft-repeated lies. Bad decision on his part to be a total bore.

 

[Nessie]

There is no Holocaust denier who debates in good faith. They can't, or else they would have to tackle the issue of where all the alleged survivors ended up and for the Holocaust to be a hoax means millions of willing participants, all governments and the entire academic study of history.

 

[LemmyCaution]

There is no Holocaust denier who debates in good faith. They can't, or else they would have to tackle the issue of where all the alleged survivors ended up and for the Holocaust to be a hoax means millions of willing participants, all governments and the entire academic study of history.

I've actually debated with at least one denier who discussed the Holocaust in good faith. Guess what? That individual is no longer a Holocaust denier.

 

[Loss Leader]

they would have to tackle the issue of where all the alleged survivors ended up and for the Holocaust to be a hoax means millions of willing participants, all governments and the entire academic study of history.

And the willing cooperation of a raft of men who allowed themselves to be convicted and hung.

 

[smartcooky]

A German court recently sent a 85 year old German woman, Ursula Haverbeck, to jail for 2 years for denying the Holocaust....

FTFY

Most Germans are ashamed of the crimes committed by their citizens (and rightly so). This is one of the reasons why Holocaust Denial is an offence in German legal statutes.

Haverbeck knew the law, but took the risk anyway, and was punished for it... and good show too. I would have given this Nazi sympathiser the maximum five years.