'Batman & Jesus' movie -- trailer just released

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A couple of days ago, Mythicist Milwaukee released a trailer for "Batman & Jesus", a documentary that they assisted in creating on whether there was a historical Jesus. The movie is due to be released in 2017.

The trailer can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnS8FjMQx0k

More information on the project can be found on the Mythicist Milwaukee webpage here: http://www.mythicistmilwaukee.com/batman-jesus-the-movie/

According to the webpage:

... it is important to be able to present the very best information, research, and evidence available today to verify and support the claims being made.

To achieve this, filmmaker Jozef is working with Mythicist Milwaukee to bring together some of the many diverse leading voices and scholars in the secular community to speak in the film about what we truly know about the life of Jesus, including Dr. Richard Carrier, author David Fitzgerald, and hiphop artist Killah Priest.​

I'm guessing the movie will include aspects of 'astrotheology', as according to their blog page (my bolding below): http://www.mythicistmilwaukee.com/mythicistmilwaukeeblog/?tag=Acharya+S+/+DM+Murdock

Mythicism is not a religion. It is the study of ancient astrotheology and mythology in comparison to modern day religious supernatural beliefs. On our blog and through our research, we try to further that study. We try to bring to light the parallels between ancient and modern religions in effort to show their mythological origins.​
The "Batman & Jesus" movie trailer itself says it features the following: "Dr Richard Carrier, David Fitzgerald, Aron Ra, Dr Robert Price, Killah Priest & More."

But Mythicist Milwaukee is also the group that is putting on the debate between Dr Price and Dr Ehrman on whether there was a historical Jesus, in October this year: http://www.mythicistmilwaukee.com/mythinformation-conference-2/ So they deserve kudos for that.
 
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Just thinking about what a great scene this would be:

Luke 10:41 Jesus answered and said unto her, "Martha, Martha, you are careful and troubled about many things"
Luke 10:42 And Batman responded: "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME???"
 
GDon said:
Just thinking about what a great scene this would be:

Luke 10:41 Jesus answered and said unto her, "Martha, Martha, you are careful and troubled about many things"
Luke 10:42 And Batman responded: "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME???"
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Luke 10:43 And Jesus said unto Batman "Stay down, you'd be dead if I wanted it".

Luke 10:44 And Batman in his anger rose up and smote Jesus with a restroom sink.
 
GDon said:
Just thinking about what a great scene this would be:

Luke 10:41 Jesus answered and said unto her, "Martha, Martha, you are careful and troubled about many things"
Luke 10:42 And Batman responded: "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME???"
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One billion thumbs up. :thumbsup:
 
Looks like an exciting and controversial topic. Hope Mythicist Milwaukee doesn't get into too much trouble over it. Goodness knows they've enough on their plates. [emoji6]
 
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d4m10n said:
Looks like an exciting and controversial topic. Hope Mythicist Milwaukee doesn't get into too much trouble over it. Goodness knows they've enough on their plates. [emoji6]
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What trouble is that? I've never heard of them so I googled the name, but didn't see anything about trouble.

I see they have some kind of conference scheduled for later this month. Is that it?
http://www.mythicistmilwaukee.com/mythinformation-conference-2/
MYTHINFORMATION CONFERENCE IV | SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, 2017

PREVIOUS CONFERENCES

We've held three "Myth Cons" to-date - with the 2016 conference featuring one of the secular world's most anticipated debates between Dr. Robert Price and Dr. Bart D. Ehrman arguing the existence of a historical Jesus Christ. Previous conference speakers have included:

Hip-hop artist Killah Priest of the Wu-Tang Clan
Buzzed Belief Debate with Dr. Robert Price and Bart D. Ehrman
Freedom from Religion Foundation president Dan Barker
Mythicist Author and Historian Dr. Richard Carrier
Black Nonbelievers founder/president Mandisa Thomas
Atheist Republic CEO Allie Jackson
The Friendly Atheist's Hemant Mehta
Mythicist Author David Fitzgerald
ChicagoNow.com blogger James Kirk Wall
Author Arthur George
TV host Matt Dillahunty...
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GDon said:
There is controversy over some of the guests that have been invited. PZ Myers discusses this here:
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/09/15/seeing-through-all-the-noise/
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"All the speakers at this skeptic conference are anti-SJWs..."

Even after Seth Andrews and Aron Ra pulled out (on account of a sustained anti-PR campaign against MythCon) there are at least a few speakers who don't fit that description.

Even if it were accurate, though, so what? Skepticon is all social justice all day and no one seeks to deplatform those folks.
 
GDon said:
There is controversy over some of the guests that have been invited. PZ Myers discusses this here:
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/09/15/seeing-through-all-the-noise/
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Thanks for that. I'm not a big PZ Myers fan normally, but he seems to have a point. If this conference was planning on giving a platform to racists and sexists they deserve all the criticism they get.

Is that really what the organisers were planning, or is it another storm in a tea-cup like that Atheism+ business?

Just who are these horrible Nazi sexist Atheists that are scheduled to appear?
 
GDon said:
A couple of days ago, Mythicist Milwaukee released a trailer for "Batman & Jesus", a documentary that they assisted in creating on whether there was a historical Jesus. The movie is due to be released in 2017.
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I'd wager that with a name like that, they had already made up their mind before production started 😁
 
Brainache said:
Thanks for that. I'm not a big PZ Myers fan normally, but he seems to have a point. If this conference was planning on giving a platform to racists and sexists they deserve all the criticism they get.
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Fair point, assuming that PZ took pains to document the people against whom he inveighs advocating for social or political inequality on account of gender, sex or ethnicity.

But do I assume too much? :rolleyes:

Brainache said:
Just who are these horrible Nazi sexist Atheists that are scheduled to appear?
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This lady, for one. Also, her bf. YouTubers both.

https://twitter.com/ArmouredSkeptic/status/909663635168952320
 
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d4m10n said:
Fair point, assuming that PZ took pains to document the people against whom he inveighs advocating for social or political inequality on account of gender, sex or ethnicity.

But do I assume too much? :rolleyes:



This lady, for one. Also, her bf. YouTubers both.

https://twitter.com/ArmouredSkeptic/status/909663635168952320
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I'm still none the wiser here. Pretend for a moment that I'm an old Luddite who doesn't do "Twitter" and who doesn't want to wade through endless tweets of strange memes that mean nothing to me. Help me out on this.

From what I can gather these people are Conservatives. They have a right-of-centre world view and therefore PZ and his "SJW Snowflake" followers label them Nazis and refuse to attend the conference. Is that about it?

Tempest in a Tea-party?
 
Brainache said:
From what I can gather these people are Conservatives. They have a right-of-centre world view and therefore PZ and his "SJW Snowflake" followers label them Nazis and refuse to attend the conference. Is that about it?
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That would be about it except that one of these particular conservatives sort of opened the door to the literal Nazi accusation when they started flying the Kekistani flag which is clearly derived from Nazi/KKK designs.

I suppose it comes down to whether you see Kekistan as an essentially parodic movement or as one of the more lighthearted aspects of actual alt-right white nationalism. But as a Luddite, I don't expect you have the tools to sort this one out. :p
 
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d4m10n said:
That would be about it except that one of these particular conservatives sort of opened the door to the literal Nazi accusation when they started flying the Kekistani flag which is clearly derived from Nazi/KKK designs.

I suppose it comes down to whether you see Kekistan as an essentially parodic movement or as one of the more lighthearted aspects of actual alt-right white nationalism. But as a Luddite, I don't expect you have the tools to sort this one out. :p
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Thanks for that.

The Tribe of Benjamin?
...But the Israelites had compassion for Benjamin their kin, and said, ‘One tribe is cut off from Israel this day. 7 What shall we do for wives for those who are left, since we have sworn by the Lord that we will not give them any of our daughters as wives?’...
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+21&version=NRSVA

This thread started out as a discussion of a movie about the Mythical Jesus, I'm just trying to get it back on track by mentioning the Tribe of Benjamin. This was the tribe that Paul claimed to be a member of.

It has been argued by Scholars (Eisenman et al) that "the tribe of Benjamin" was a term used in second temple Judaism for people like Herod and his family (Arabs who had recently converted to Judaism). "Sons of Benjamin" are mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls:
... Supporting them are those who have violated the covenant. The sons of Levi, the sons of Judah, and the sons of Benjamin, those exiled to the wilderness, shall fight against them
(3) with [...] against all their troops, when the exiles of the Sons of Light return from the Wilderness of the Peoples to camp in the Wilderness of Jerusalem...
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/guerradioses/guerradioses02a.htm

Those Dead Sea fundamentalist Jews saw Benjamin as one of their enemies.

I just find it interesting that this particular neo-Nazi happens to be named "Benjamin".

Wooooooooooooooo...
 
Wake me up when they've found a "mythicist" arguing in accordance with standard ancient historical practice. I look forward to seeing their genre analysis of the gospels and comoarisons with other bioi :rolleyes:

Mythicism is a crankhood not even suitable for pop history.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
Wake me up when they've found a "mythicist" arguing in accordance with standard ancient historical practice. I look forward to seeing their genre analysis of the gospels and comoarisons with other bioi
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Between biography and hagiography, it isn't obvious that the gospels (or similar works such as Philostratus' Life of Appolonius) fall clearly into the former genre. For that matter, we cannot rule out the Hebrew prophetic/midrashic literature which predate Greek notions of biography.

Jesus of Nazareth supposedly spent much of his sermonizing relating moral parables to his audience, stories which didn't need to be rooted in history to have a worthwhile moral point. Who's to say that his disciples didn't do likewise?
 
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