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Wonder234 said:
Just curious, have you guys looked into reincarnation very much? What have you seen that dissuaded you from a belief in reincarnation? If it's something you read/watched/heard online can you post it here? If it's not online can you tell me what it was? If your disbelief comes from your own convictions can you tell me what those are? Basically, what are your reasons for your disbelief in reincarnation?
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You're trying to reset the thread. You ignore everyone's posts, try to get back to 'objections' you can complain about, while what you should be doing is providing evidence for your claims.
I know you don't have any, do you prefer to let us make a claim so you can call everyone closed minded while you pretend to hold the high ground against those mean skeptics.

Just
Give
Us
Your
Evidence.

If you don't have any, stop claiming reincarnation is real.
 
Wonder234 said:
Just curious, have you guys looked into reincarnation very much? What have you seen that dissuaded you from a belief in reincarnation? If it's something you read/watched/heard online can you post it here? If it's not online can you tell me what it was? If your disbelief comes from your own convictions can you tell me what those are? Basically, what are your reasons for your disbelief in reincarnation?
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Just curious,Wonder234, have you looked into flying spaghetti monsters very much? What have you seen that dissuaded you from a belief in flying spaghetti monsters? If it's something you read/watched/heard online can you post it here? If it's not online can you tell me what it was? If your disbelief comes from your own convictions can you tell me what those are? Basically, what are your reasons for your disbelief in flying spaghetti monsters?

Dave
 
Wonder234 said:
Why would the address and the names of his kids not be valid?

He did say what his past self's favorite soda was, a soda that was discontinued 50 years before his supposed new incarnation. And there have been cases where intimate details have been reported.

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One presumes than his knowledge of the world was the same as a person who had lived for decades? So he would know all about sex, he would know how to shave, would know (depending on the dates) how to drive, know maths, geography, other history etc all the things an adult who had lived for decades would know. So at school he would be flying through all the classes since he would already know everything.

In fact he would be an adult in all but age.

Was he?
 
Wonder234 said:
I wanted to start a chain of objection where someone objects to my last objection on the first post, and then someone objects to that persons objection and so on, so as to see what holds up, and to get closer to the truth on this matter.
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Looks like a variation on Jabba's Effective DebateTM.
 
Wonder234 said:
Just curious, have you guys looked into reincarnation very much? What have you seen that dissuaded you from a belief in reincarnation? If it's something you read/watched/heard online can you post it here? If it's not online can you tell me what it was?
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Incidentally, I've posted a request in your evolution thread, that you might have missed because you haven't posted there for a while: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11994433#post11994433
 
Wonder234 said:
.........What have you seen that dissuaded you from a belief in reincarnation?..........
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You're joking, aren't you? On a sceptics site, you think that people should believe in something outside the laws of physics unless there is compelling reason not to? Really?

Look, the default position is this: nothing exists outside the known laws of nature. You think that something does, then OK, show us the evidence. If you've not got any, then adjust your thinking, or keep other more gullible company. In the real world all that stuff is makie uppey bollocks, unless you have overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Clear?
 
Wonder234 said:
I'll stick to the same case I posted earlier about a boy named Ryan Hammons who "remembers" a life as a Hollywood extra named Marty Martin. The link is here;
http://mysteriousfacts.com/hollywood-actor-reborn-shocking-story-of-reincarnation/
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The problem with this story is that there is no good reason to believe a single word of it.

To establish the reality of a phenomenon like reincarnation would require extensive, rigorous scientific research of dozens of well documented cases. Anecdotes on crackpot web sites just don't cut it.
 
This has been mentioned before, but why does the boy not speak Ukrainian? Why didn't he provide his real name? Shouldn't a fairly rich man be able to give the numbers of his bank accounts?
 
A boy that remembers his past life should also have a tremendous experience. for example, nobody needs to tell him how sex works, because he is already experienced (Marty was married four times)! He should also be able to use tools that he has never been acquainted with before, explain how a Rolls looks like inside and so on.

Where are the references for the article? Why can you only find information about Ryan and Marty on low-credibility sites like mysteriousfacts.com or abovetopsecret.com? In the NBC article it is mentioned that Ryan also gets facts wrong. This reminds us of the very real possibility that the hits are cherry-picked out of a mass of statements, most of which may be wrong.

Dr. Jim B. Tucker seems to be rather alone in his research on reincarnation. One wonders why if the evidence is so good. His Wikipedia page is currently rather uncritical, and even quotes him for some nonsense about how quantum mechanics can make reincarnation work. This is a fun quote:

“I believe in the possibility of reincarnation, which is different from saying that I believe in reincarnation,” he explains. “I do think these cases require an explanation that is out of the ordinary, although that certainly doesn’t mean we all reincarnate.”
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So reincarnation is possible, but may not happen? If anything, the presumed evidence could mean that although reincarnation should not be possible, it happens.
 
Wonder, serious question. It appears the only part of the self that carries over from one lifetime to another in reincarnation is a few biographical memories such as can be contained in a few pages or even a paragraph.

If that's so, then if I write a five-page autobiography and after my death a young child reads it and learns it, is that child now me, reincarnated? If you read it after my death, are you now me, reincarnated? What about, if you or the child reads it ten minutes after I wrote it, while I'm still alive?

What is the effective difference between "me" being reincarnated as someone else with different genetic traits, upbringing, and life experiences, and hence different memories (except for possibly the kind of sparse biographical facts about my present life that reincarnation cases typically attempt to demonstrate knowledge of); and me just dying and someone else being born, who someday reads my obituary?
 
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Pixel42 said:
In a previous thread someone brought up the documentary The Boy Who Lived Before. The youtube link to it no longer seems to be working, but here's the description I cut and pasted at the time:



I goggled 'Barra documentary' and found this short (26 minutes) documentary:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0996476/



It's just the sort of filler programme that might be shown on Scottish daytime TV, and which the young Cameron might have watched and absorbed whilst his parents were out of the room.

I haven't seen either documentary so I don't know how closely (if at all) its contents match Cameron's 'memories', but it does make me wonder how diligent people are in investigating all mundane possibilities before jumping to the supernatural explanation.
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Any programme about Barra shows the aeroplanes landing on the beach - it's virtually compulsory. It's also very memorable - it's one of the main things I remember from documentaries that show Barra. It's not surprising at all that someone would come up with this detail and would match your hypothesis. The only vaguely surprising thing about the kid's anecdotes would be the surname he came up with. The majority of people on Barra are McNeils - it's the home island of that clan (also Gigha and Colonsay for offshoots). Mind you, if you were watching a documentary with almost everyone called McNeil and then one pops up called Robertson maybe that's the one that would stick, so even that may not be surprising...
 
Wonder234 said:
I'm just curious.

You say there's no good evidence. Does that mean you've seen evidence and thought that it wasn't good? What was the evidence and why didn't you think it was good?
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There's a difference between seeing evidence and deciding that it is not good and not seeing good evidence.
 
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