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The 2017 anniversary of 9/11 - not happening in Trutherland

Ah, I finally found a Truthy event almost (Sunday, September 10) on the Anniversary:


aka "First Annual 9/11 Activist Summit" hosted by Sibel Edmonds' "Newsbud"

It's a webinar, 150 minutes, and to dial in you have to puchase advance tickets - at a whopping US$ 180! :jaw-dropp ($145 for Newsbud members).

The Panel of "Truth Titans" consists of

  • Sibel Edmonds, "FBI whistleblower"
  • James Corbett of the "Corbett Report"
  • Cynthia McKinney, Former U.S. Congresswoman (GA) & 9/11 Twoofie
  • Wayne Madsen, Investigative Author
  • Daniel Estulin- Best-Selling Author that I never even heard of
Plus, they promise 2 "Star guests" :D One a "whistleblower" (I expect Kevin Ryan), and another from the "scholars community" (S. Jones? Fetzer??)

What kind of audience is willing to shell out 180 bucks for 150 minutes of the same old boring same old boring? I might pay this much for another Led Zeppelin reunion... but then again, not really.
 
Sibel Edmonds has descended the rabbit hole... after finding some BS in the FBI. I don't whether she is well accepted these days among the other whistle blowers but she trades on that reputation. Only nuts will shell out that sort of money to for the same nonsense.
 
What has struck me as bizarre for now almost 15 years is the notion that the truth guys reject the notion of "opportunism" related to 9/11. They essentially believe that the event was staged to leverage all manner of advances by the MIC and the national security state. No one will deny what the RESPONSE to 9.11 was and that much of it was irrational and benefited corps and the military institutions and mindset. The odd thing is that truth people can't see nor except the notion that Western interventionism has given rise to terrorist responses from those who feel and arguably were harmed by US and their allies policies. The term blowback describes this and this is completely dismissed. We are therefore led to conclude that intervention, meddling, oppression, exploitation by the West should not and did not produce animosity toward the USA and it's allies. To explain an attack such as on the USS Cole... conspiracist simply see that as a false flag.... a US sponsored self inflicted wound as a raison d'etre for their miliary response. It is impossible for them to accept the the Cole attack could have been planned and carried out without USA/CIA support.

Militarist in the USA and the West accept the principle of self defense... but completely reject the notion of aggression and unprovoked military intervention. Terrorism is a tough one because terrorism is basically "mischief" not am attack by a state or an army as we have seen in history. Terror can come from state and non state actors. But oppression, exploitation is an institutional thing. ISIS oppress and exploit and declared themselves to be "a state"... sort of non state actors trying to be a state. They are managing to get support and interest from the "oppressed". Their memes and horrible record on human rights make them not a liberation movement from oppression as much as a movement of oppression.

I seriously doubt that the Western powers created ISIS for the purpose of a false flag response. But they EASILY can exploit ISIS as an opportunity to "do war". It should be noted that all the weapons that are used in the ME were manufactured in the West, Russia etc. So war mongers etc. seize the opportunity and they have the perfect excuses. Sure going back Western policies created this mess and their military solutions will guaranty that the mess with go on into the future. We have a self fulfilling prophesy her... cause and effect dialectic. You reap what you sow... War begets war. And millions and millions of innocent lives are destroyed.
 
JSanderO said:
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I seriously doubt that the Western powers created ISIS for the purpose of a false flag response. But they EASILY can exploit ISIS as an opportunity to "do war". It should be noted that all the weapons that are used in the ME were manufactured in the West, Russia etc. So war mongers etc. seize the opportunity and they have the perfect excuses. Sure going back Western policies created this mess and their military solutions will guaranty that the mess with go on into the future. We have a self fulfilling prophesy her... cause and effect dialectic. You reap what you sow... War begets war. And millions and millions of innocent lives are destroyed.
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The concept isn't exactly new. Germany's greatest poet, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, wrote a poem called "Der Zauberlehrling" in 1797 against a backdrop that included the French Revolution and all that ran off course in it. One of the best-known classical German poems still today. It features "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" (English title of the poem) who tries some magic at home when his master Sorcerer is away: Tired of fetching water the way mere mortals do, he attempts to enlist the assictance of spirits. But he doesn't master the art yet (couldn't remember the word to stop the spirits), and soon, things start going wrong - catastrophically wrong! The mess is captured in this line, which is a cliché in our language:

"Ach, da kommt der Meister!
Herr, die Not ist groß!
Die ich rief, die Geister
werd ich nun nicht los."​
My translation:
"Woe, there come the Master!
Lord, distress is great!
Those I called, the spirits,
I can't get rid of anymore."​
The second-to-last line, or rather a variation thereof, is a common dictum in the form: "The spirits that I called..." (with ellipse - imagine a silent sigh at the end).

This describes the notion of fallible men not being able to fully control the forces they unleash - in politics, in science, in criminal scheming, in trivial deceipt.
The current US administration shows clearly that there is no sure safeguard against amateurs and incompetents making it to positions of power, for example in foreign politics or military commands. Whenever a powerful country meddles with the world, things go wrong. "The spirits that we called..." include rebel groups in 1980s Afghanistan, 1990s Iraq, 2000s Kurdistan, 2010s Syria.

Except, in the real world, there exists no Master Sorcerer.
 
I think the building that collapsed in Iran due to fire alone has woken a lot of the Truther sheeple up.

Of course AE9/11 Truth has tried to cover their ass by alleging controlled demolition.
 
MrRandomGuy said:
I think the building that collapsed in Iran due to fire alone has woken a lot of the Truther sheeple up.

Of course AE9/11 Truth has tried to cover their ass by alleging controlled demolition.
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And by never again mentioning the incident after the Iranian investigation found that fires, not explosives or incendiaries, were the cause of that collapse.

Rule #1: Under all circumstances, never let your fans and donors hear anything that's actually true!
 
It looks like Richard (Dick) Gage is spending 9/11 with Bob McIlvaine in Washington. They will be presenting the "Bobby McIlvaine World Trade Center Investigation Act".

The Bobby McIlvaine Act is draft legislation that would empanel a select committee in either chamber of Congress to reinvestigate the destruction of the three World Trade Center towers on September 11, 2001. The act is named after Mr. McIlvaine’s son Bobby, who was tragically killed at the age of 26 while entering the North Tower of the World Trade Center.

Space is limited. Please RSVP by emailing Congress@AE911Truth.org.

Who: Bob McIlvaine; Richard Gage, AIA; Peter Michael Ketcham; Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

What: Announcement of the Bobby McIlvaine World Trade Center Investigation Act

When: 1 p.m. EDT, September 11, 2017

Where: National Press Club, 529 14th Street NW, 13th Floor, Washington, D.C.

Livestream: https://beta.AE911Truth.org/get-involved/bobby-mcilvaine-act



https://www.press.org/events/bobby-mcilvaine-world-trade-center-investigation-act
http://bit.ly/McIlvaineAct
 
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As a concerned citizen, I will try supporting the Bobby McIlvaine WTC Investigation Act as much as I can. As at least a couple of former 9/11 Commission members have said, their effort was a rushed "set up to fail and was a "first draft of history". To not support a series of new investigations would be crapping on the graves of 3,000 victims. And I don't blame people for wondering if the maliciousness went as far as blowing up the Towers! After all, we don't know who that mysterious engineer was who told the fire chiefs that WTC 7 would collapse "in about five or six hours".
 
MicahJava said:
As a concerned citizen, I will try supporting the Bobby McIlvaine WTC Investigation Act as much as I can. As at least a couple of former 9/11 Commission members have said, their effort was a rushed "set up to fail and was a "first draft of history". To not support a series of new investigations would be crapping on the graves of 3,000 victims. And I don't blame people for wondering if the maliciousness went as far as blowing up the Towers! After all, we don't know who that mysterious engineer was who told the fire chiefs that WTC 7 would collapse "in about five or six hours".
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Spreading BS will not make fantasy come true. 16 years of complete failure, 9/11 truth.

19 terrorists did 9/11, they were fooled by UBL, like you are fooled by 9/11 truth liars.

You have BS, and mock the murder by 19 idiots for UBL.
 
MicahJava said:
As a concerned citizen, I will try supporting the Bobby McIlvaine WTC Investigation Act as much as I can. As at least a couple of former 9/11 Commission members have said, their effort was a rushed "set up to fail and was a "first draft of history". To not support a series of new investigations would be crapping on the graves of 3,000 victims. And I don't blame people for wondering if the maliciousness went as far as blowing up the Towers! After all, we don't know who that mysterious engineer was who told the fire chiefs that WTC 7 would collapse "in about five or six hours".
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Nice post. It's one of the highest ratios I've ever seen for idiotic truther memes per word count. Keep this up and you'll have people thinking you're a 1970s AI program.

Dave
 
MicahJava said:
As a concerned citizen, I will try supporting the Bobby McIlvaine WTC Investigation Act as much as I can. As at least a couple of former 9/11 Commission members have said, their effort was a rushed "set up to fail and was a "first draft of history". To not support a series of new investigations would be crapping on the graves of 3,000 victims. And I don't blame people for wondering if the maliciousness went as far as blowing up the Towers! After all, we don't know who that mysterious engineer was who told the fire chiefs that WTC 7 would collapse "in about five or six hours".
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Translation: "I reject the findings of the original government-inspired investigation, I want another government-inspired investigation, because now they'll tell the truth for sure."

@Dave Rogers: Agreed. It's comedy gold, isn't it!
 
Bob McIlvaine is one confused, grieving father whose plight is being abused by AE because it provides the sort of tangible emotions that so get gullible donors to fling more money at them. Mrs. McIlvaine for years has disapproved of the circus, the couple is estranged.

The only one ******** on a victim's grave is Richard Gage.

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MicahJava said:
As a concerned citizen, I will try supporting the Bobby McIlvaine WTC Investigation Act as much as I can. As at least a couple of former 9/11 Commission members have said, their effort was a rushed "set up to fail and was a "first draft of history". To not support a series of new investigations would be crapping on the graves of 3,000 victims. And I don't blame people for wondering if the maliciousness went as far as blowing up the Towers! After all, we don't know who that mysterious engineer was who told the fire chiefs that WTC 7 would collapse "in about five or six hours".
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I think there should be a contest for quotes most wrongly interpreted out of context.

"Set up to fail" would be a strong contender.
 
MicahJava said:
As a concerned citizen, I will try supporting the Bobby McIlvaine WTC Investigation Act as much as I can. As at least a couple of former 9/11 Commission members have said, their effort was a rushed "set up to fail and was a "first draft of history". To not support a series of new investigations would be crapping on the graves of 3,000 victims. And I don't blame people for wondering if the maliciousness went as far as blowing up the Towers! After all, we don't know who that mysterious engineer was who told the fire chiefs that WTC 7 would collapse "in about five or six hours".
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MicahJava said:
Why should anybody put their entire trust in any new 9/11 or WTC disaste rinvestigation if one were to take place? I'm not saying I should. The House Select Committee on Assassinations re-investigated the JFK assassination in the late 70's, and their single-assassin scinareos are full of the stupidest crankery ever.
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Am I alone in seeing the complete contradiction between these two posts?

MicahJava, what would be the point in calling for a new investigation if you (and presumaby all those tens of other truthers out there) aren't going to accept the conclusions of that investigation? Would this be anything other than a complete waste of time and money, especially given that it is only truthers who want such an investigation in the first place?
 
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