Charlottesville Car Crash Video

Spindrift said:
This. It's not like he was on the way to the grocery store and was suddenly surrounded. He drove towards the protesters. Did he think they would just let him drive through them without causing a reaction?
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George Zimmerman took similarly inflaming actions and it did not ultimately turn in a guilty verdict.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Except in this case the person that struck the car with the stick had just avoided being run over by the driver, as evidenced by his position in the first image. Along with the fact that the dar was already well into the group of protesters when it got hit, was all that because he was scared of future things?
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None of that was the element I was responding to. Based on those photos, the strike certainly wasn't justified in hitting the car.
 
BobTheCoward said:
None of that was the element I was responding to. Based on those photos, the strike certainly wasn't justified in hitting the car.
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You seriously believe that having a car nearly run you down as it heads at speed through a group of people doesn't justify hitting it to try and get the driver's attention and stop it?
 
chrispy said:
:eek: Sorry, but I have to second PhantomWolf on this one, Bob. Your (always) explicitly contrarian remarks do not an argument make.
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I'm not making an argument. I was asked what I believe. I did not assert others should believe it or feel the same way.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Except in this case the person that struck the car with the stick had just avoided being run over by the driver, as evidenced by his position in the first image. Along with the fact that the dar was already well into the group of protesters when it got hit, was all that because he was scared of future things?
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A scare apparently not shared by the protesters standing casually in the front of the car.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Someone doesn't agree with you on what generic actions are justified or necessarily the same meaning of justified. Oh the horror.
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When we are talking split second reactions to try and save people's lives, the idea of doing nothing is the most heinous of them. Hitting a car that's just tried to run you down and about to do the same to others, not, that's fully justified,as much as punching out a guy with a gun that just took a shot at you.

The driver is done, those photos will be the thing that convicts. He clearly braked as he entered the area with the protesters even as they scattered. He could have stopped, changed his mind, but that second one and the video shows that he didn't. He wasn't scared because someone hit his car, the person that hit his car was one of his victims, one of the people he tried to run over, that strike was self defence and defence of others, fully justified.

That he braked, and then accelerated into the protesters. Nothing will get him off that and anyone defending that sort of action needs to check themselves in the mirror.
 
Noztradamus said:
A scare apparently not shared by the protesters standing casually in the front of the car.
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I think you need to recheck that, Those that haven't moved aren't "standing there casually" they simply haven't reacted to what they are seeing yet, note the ones closest that have had the time to react and the people on the sidewalks with their mouths open in horror at what they are seeing.
 
PhantomWolf said:
those photos will be the thing that convicts.
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Do you want to bet on that? It would be risky. Even if he is convicted, you still lose if the photos are not the things that do it (i.e., they find a video statement made by the killer).

Video also won't count. It has to be those two pictures.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Do you want to bet on that? It would be risky. Even if he is convicted, you still lose if the photos are not the things that do it (i.e., they find a video statement made by the killer).

Video also won't count. It has to be those two pictures.
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Considering that no one will ever know what the jury used, it'd be pretty pointless.
 
PhantomWolf said:
When we are talking split second reactions to try and save people's lives, the idea of doing nothing is the most heinous of them. Hitting a car that's just tried to run you down and about to do the same to others, not, that's fully justified,as much as punching out a guy with a gun that just took a shot at you.

The driver is done, those photos will be the thing that convicts. He clearly braked as he entered the area with the protesters even as they scattered. He could have stopped, changed his mind, but that second one and the video shows that he didn't. He wasn't scared because someone hit his car, the person that hit his car was one of his victims, one of the people he tried to run over, that strike was self defence and defence of others, fully justified.

That he braked, and then accelerated into the protesters. Nothing will get him off that and anyone defending that sort of action needs to check themselves in the mirror.
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You are mixing things up. The question was what I think is justified. Instead, you are arguing what you think is justified and unrelated legal issues.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Yes, I know. But that was one guy, and it's still not clear what happened. Even if we for the sake of argument assume that he deliberately was trying to kill as many as possible, it's still one guy. I'm not aware of too many incidents with white nationalists showing up and attacking people. Are you? I think that currently, that is more of the SOP of Antifa/BML/BAMN.
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Well, no, not really.
Over the past 10 years (2007-2016), domestic extremists of all kinds have killed at least 372 people in the United States. Of those deaths, approximately 74% were at the hands of right-wing extremists, about 24% of the victims were killed by domestic Islamic extremists, and the remainder were killed by left-wing extremists.
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Black Nationalists have in recent years had move a presence, and the increased acceptance of violence on the far-left is very problematic (eventually this will lead to them killing someone), it is abjectly dwarfed by the violence the far right has been engaging in for more than thirty years. It isn't until you go back to 1970 that far left groups had significant violence.

But yes, the left might someday get a quarter as violent as the right, and that's bad. (Unless it happens because of a significant decrease in violence by far-right groups, then it's good of course.)
 
I wonder if the slowed/stopped cars were occupied and if so, what the occupants were feeling at that intersection while slowed/stopped and what they observed the protesters doing around them before the ramming began.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
A few swastikas doesn't make everybody protesting a "Nazi" any more than a few hammer and sickles make all the counter-protestors "Commies."
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How would you identify Nazis?

CaptainHowdy said:
I predict that this story will slowly slip out of the spotlight when it becomes clear that it doesn't support the "alt right are all nazi terroristic murderers" narrative.

Kind of like what happened to that crazy Bernie supporter who yelled mean things at those muslim teenagers and then stabbed two people up in Oregon.
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Oh, your characterization of that is simply way off the mark. He's a white supremacist doing Nazi salutes too. He is also all kinds of crazy, many of his rants and actions contradicting each other.
 
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